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Post by TolerancEJ on Jul 30, 2014 17:37:48 GMT -5
Maybe TNA has a new chance with Spike as Russo has said he is done with TNA. Of course, Spike might not even trust TNA anymore. TNA directly lied to Spike already concerning Russo's involvement. If it happens once, it can happen again.
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Post by Chris Corr on Jul 30, 2014 20:38:17 GMT -5
You're missing the point. The point is that there is no reason why the viewership on the internet would have to be any lower than on SpikeTV. Anyone who was watching it on Spike could continue to watch it on the internet. They don't have to get more viewers. If they kept getting 1 million that would be plenty. Advertisers have different rates and pricing structures for internet based advertising as opposed to television advertising. Just because they pay one rate to advertise on Spike, it does not mean they would pay the same rate to advertise online. Also, ad rates for web based content which gets millions of views per episode amounts to a few million a year, and such shows typically do not have the overhead that a pro wrestling company does. How would TNA, with approx 1.5 million views per episode, be able to bring in more than the rumored $10m+ that Spike TV pays in rights fees? Numbers as it pertains to their broadcast fees and advertising rates would be easily accessible via Spike. Meltzer has been in the game over 30 years and Spike TV has been in the pro wrestling business for around 15 years...you really don't think he has stooges at cable companies? Also, this is TNA, not the NSA. It's hilariously naive to think that details about a private company, financial or otherwise, can't be uncovered. If TNA being a privately-held company meant sensitive information was inaccessible to the public, Russo being on the payroll would not have been exposed months ago. And that is just one example (of dozens) where private info from a private company became public knowledge because info was leaked. Russo being on the payroll wasn't exposed months ago. It was exposed last week because Russo accidentally sent an email to the wrong person.
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Post by Gee Hall on Jul 30, 2014 23:37:26 GMT -5
I agree with you this week. Stop changing your name. Huh? Changing my name? Not you. "Samoan Snacking Machine". That dude has had many different handles here. It's gotten ridiculous. You're cool. But the Paul Ramen Noodles, or whatever he was called before, etc, etc, etc, is just too much.
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Post by thelaw on Jul 31, 2014 1:27:27 GMT -5
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Post by thelaw on Jul 31, 2014 1:39:01 GMT -5
Russo being on the payroll wasn't exposed months ago. It was exposed last week because Russo accidentally sent an email to the wrong person. The confirmation was only known since last week, but everybody suspected that was the case because the weekly Impact show since late last year at times had Russo's fingerprints all over them. Plus whenever anybody asked specifically about Russo, TNA was always evasive and never gave a straight answer.
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Post by Milky on Aug 1, 2014 2:25:42 GMT -5
I don't think TNA fans will just watch Spike TV from 9-11pm out of habit - but I do think they will continue to watch TNA, wherever they end up, as long as it's actually TNA and not WWETNA. It is probably debatable whether TNA has that many loyal fans. Maybe the majority of Impact viewers consists of people who just watched Cops & people who just want to watch any sort of wrestling even if they do not think much of the promotion. Maybe TNA's only loyal fans are the 8000 or so who buy the ppv's. Those fans are what I would call "the super-hardcores" or maybe the "pro-wrestling media who are obligated to watch so that they can report on it." Ok, I'm joking a bit with that last comment, because the media can't make up for the entire 8000 buys, but you get my point. Anyways, all the television companies would care about are the loyal viewers, not the PPV-buyers, and we've seen that TNA television viewers will follow the product to different timeslots and nights of the week regardless of whether it's a holiday or whatever. This is an asset for TNA. But, despite that, I'd say the odds on TNA making it right now are still 50/50. It could really still go either way here.
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Post by thelaw on Aug 1, 2014 4:08:15 GMT -5
Meltzer says the reasons for the drop are:
1. Spike could do better financially by putting on a lower rated show because ad rates for wrestling is relatively low. Plus without TNA, that does not change the amount Spike could get from carriage fees.
2. Spike was lied to about Russo. (Russo was fired yesterday by TNA.)
Meltzer thinks the speculation by some that Spike wants to buy TNA or the whole thing is a ploy to get a better rate are just people being optimistic.
He says that even with Spike's money, TNA had been in a huge cost-cutting mode and were at times months late in paying salaries. So TNA essentially has to get a tv deal somewhere that pays the company at least what Spike was paying. That however will not be easy. Meltzer points out that the WWE could not a tv deal for Saturday Morning Slam, Main Event, or NXT. Those shows are from the bigger WWE brand and are less expensive than a TNA Impact show would be to a network. Yet, no network wanted the WWE shows.
Meltzer also says that TNA could have used Hulk Hogan to at least get in the door with the networks as he is a recognizable name. Without a star, TNA cannot even get network executives to even listen to their pitch.
Note that TNA talent are being given the impression that good news is coming during the upcoming tv tapings. On the other hand, employees might not trust TNA anymore given the fact that the company was not upfront about the Russo situation and also were lied to when TNA was in negotiations to be sold late last year.
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Post by Milky on Aug 6, 2014 3:56:58 GMT -5
Meltzer says the reasons for the drop are: 1. Spike could do better financially by putting on a lower rated show because ad rates for wrestling is relatively low. Plus without TNA, that does not change the amount Spike could get from carriage fees. 2. Spike was lied to about Russo. (Russo was fired yesterday by TNA.) Meltzer thinks the speculation by some that Spike wants to buy TNA or the whole thing is a ploy to get a better rate are just people being optimistic. He says that even with Spike's money, TNA had been in a huge cost-cutting mode and were at times months late in paying salaries. So TNA essentially has to get a tv deal somewhere that pays the company at least what Spike was paying. That however will not be easy. Meltzer points out that the WWE could not a tv deal for Saturday Morning Slam, Main Event, or NXT. Those shows are from the bigger WWE brand and are less expensive than a TNA Impact show would be to a network. Yet, no network wanted the WWE shows. Meltzer also says that TNA could have used Hulk Hogan to at least get in the door with the networks as he is a recognizable name. Without a star, TNA cannot even get network executives to even listen to their pitch. Note that TNA talent are being given the impression that good news is coming during the upcoming tv tapings. On the other hand, employees might not trust TNA anymore given the fact that the company was not upfront about the Russo situation and also were lied to when TNA was in negotiations to be sold late last year. All good points. I really do think that TNA's best chance of survival is to move abroad, but whether they will do that I have no idea. If they don't, then they'd have to radically change their business model, and then that throws up a whole host of new questions. TNA do have marketable stars (Jeff Hardy, MVP, and even Kurt Angle, at least for a while, etc) but Hulk Hogan is certainly in another stratosphere, so you're not going to get someone else on that level unless you can tempt The Rock or Brock Lesnar to switch over, which is unlikely (though money does talk for Brock). But then where is that money going to come from? It will be interesting to see what happens in the coming months. For wrestling's sake I really do hope that TNA survive on their own, but I'm not filled with a lot of confidence at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 6:04:18 GMT -5
Advertisers have different rates and pricing structures for internet based advertising as opposed to television advertising. Just because they pay one rate to advertise on Spike, it does not mean they would pay the same rate to advertise online. Also, ad rates for web based content which gets millions of views per episode amounts to a few million a year, and such shows typically do not have the overhead that a pro wrestling company does. How would TNA, with approx 1.5 million views per episode, be able to bring in more than the rumored $10m+ that Spike TV pays in rights fees? Numbers as it pertains to their broadcast fees and advertising rates would be easily accessible via Spike. Meltzer has been in the game over 30 years and Spike TV has been in the pro wrestling business for around 15 years...you really don't think he has stooges at cable companies? Also, this is TNA, not the NSA. It's hilariously naive to think that details about a private company, financial or otherwise, can't be uncovered. If TNA being a privately-held company meant sensitive information was inaccessible to the public, Russo being on the payroll would not have been exposed months ago. And that is just one example (of dozens) where private info from a private company became public knowledge because info was leaked. Russo being on the payroll wasn't exposed months ago. It was exposed last week because Russo accidentally sent an email to the wrong person. There's a marked difference between an exposé derived from leaked info and a confession begrudgingly made in the aftermath of a hilarious fuck-up. PWInsider, Meltzer and others reported Russo was working for TNA again around four months ago. Even prior to that, in late 2013, Bryan Alvarez and many fans openly speculated Russo may have been back when the show took a sudden nosedive and the Knockouts began calling each other "bee-otch" again. Generally speaking, think about the hundreds (maybe thousands?) of times TNA news has been leaked to the dirtsheets over the years that turned out to be accurate. To assume TNA being a private company means sensitive internal information cannot be compromised is beyond naive. TNA can't even prevent their own employees from leaving the company with a flash drive full of talent contract specifics after giving them a severance package, for fuck's sake. ----edit------ And speaking of the supposed requiem for TNA, this certainly doesn't do them any favors (photos floating around social media and taken from this week's SD tapings)
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Post by paynexkiller on Aug 6, 2014 9:51:58 GMT -5
Thursday Night SmackDown is best for business.
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Post by gerardgerard on Aug 13, 2014 17:20:09 GMT -5
Thursday Night SmackDown is best for business. I guess it's catchier than 'Pre-taped Dry Run for Forthcoming RAW' Man, Smackdown takes place in a vacuum. A strange place where consequence does not enter or exit.
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Post by chrisarrant on Aug 14, 2014 13:25:42 GMT -5
I kind of think Spike is playing hardball trying to get the rumored ownership stake in TNA and make it like Bellator.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 16:50:06 GMT -5
Bob Ryder has announced TNA is moving to Wednesday nights. This could actually be good news for TNA, since it could indicate Spike TV has plans to renew the show and is switching to Wednesday nights several months ahead of SmackDown's move to Thursdays so fans are used to the adjustment by the fall. And let's be real, nobody spends six figures a pop on truck wraps without being 100% sure of what it will include. SmackDown is definitely moving to Thursdays, and WWE's statement on the matter seemed more like them backtracking so their TV partner can officially announce it as part of their fall line-up.
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Post by T Anthony Auld on Aug 14, 2014 17:06:49 GMT -5
MEANWHILE ON THE TWITTERNET... Wait-What?-HUH? Has the WWE even announced SmackDown moving back to Thursdays?
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Post by thelaw on Aug 14, 2014 19:33:26 GMT -5
Potentially Good Signs:
1. Spike moving Impact to Wednesdays. 2. Spike executive Kevin Kay (who made the decision not to renew Impact) introduced himself to various talent at TNA's recent tv tapings in New York. In both cases, the thinking is why would Spike even bother if Impact is going away in 2 months.
Potentally Bad Signs: 1. At least some TNA employees are said to behind in receiving their paychecks. In addition, staff is dwindling down to the barebones. 2. There was not the expected good news at the recent tapings. Neither Dixie nor anybody else assured talent that company will continue regardless of the tv situation. She could have said the company still had overseas contracts & obligations. 3. Lack of houseshows past September. 4. No promotion of Bound for Glory at the last tapings even though the airing on tv will conclude 2 weeks before the scheduled ppv.
Perhaps Spike wants to buy TNA and would change the creative direction. Hence, the uncertainty by current TNA management. Well, at least that is the optimistic point of view if you want TNA to be still in business.
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