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Post by deezy on Sept 14, 2016 13:25:11 GMT -5
Drop the 3rd hour if Raw...duh obviously.....if I want to keep those advertisers, I'd put their logos on my barricades like a hockey game.
Erase gimmicky characters, fuck off all dancers, road warriors and whatever insults people's intelligence, it's a tv show, yeah, but it's still in a real world setting.
Institute weight classes, if the vanilla midgets can draw, then they can do it with their own title, if they want to move up, gain the weight and anyone on a losing skid can go down a weight class incase I want to pump fresh blood into divisions.
Zero secondary titles and tag teams are strictly tag teams, avoid multiple matches between the same people, the roster is big enough to not have that problem
Gimmick matches go back to strictly blow angles, and if I'm going to book cold matches for tv time, than I explain it with a simple ranking statement.
No convoluted angles, because wrestling fans are stupid, shit the "smart" ones can't even tell you what a story of an actual match is.
Anyone can't cut a promo, the ones that can will be given leeway, the ones who can't will be limited to 30 seconds or given someone who can....cut out the 3 man booth, the black guys never talk and it's noticeable, put them on the shit shows until the other guys get too long in the tooth.
Put time limits on matches and use my commercial time accordingly. Long matches with commercial breaks kills the match.
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Post by Christian Small on Sept 14, 2016 13:49:26 GMT -5
What's upsetting is I can't tell if this is a serious post or not.
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Post by wigsf3 on Sept 14, 2016 15:00:15 GMT -5
I would always advertise next week's main event. I've never understood why these authority figures announce the main event of the show during the show and have it based on an occurance in that show. Shouldn't the authority figure have the show planned out prior to going on live? And as a viewer, I'd like to know what to watch for next week.
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Post by quadrupleh on Sept 14, 2016 19:50:15 GMT -5
The third hour affects everything: too many backstage segments, each being stretched simply to fill time. Every wrestler comes to the ring with a microphone solely to fill time with mostly meaningless promos.
I usually make it about hour and a half before bailing, and during that time, I continually channel surf to escape the ridiculous bits.
If the show were a relatively tight two hours, I might hang in there for the main event, but, at three, there's no way.
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Post by RKing85 on Sept 14, 2016 23:46:55 GMT -5
90 minutes is the perfect length for a wrestling show.
And you are the first person I think I have ever seen who doesn't list "Get rid of PG" as one of the solutions. Bravo. I applaud you.
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Post by rocketking on Sept 15, 2016 12:08:18 GMT -5
90 minutes is the perfect length for a wrestling show. And you are the first person I think I have ever seen who doesn't list "Get rid of PG" as one of the solutions. Bravo. I applaud you. Agreed. I think the "get rid of PG" sentiment is a misguided thought. I think when people say that, they generally mean that they don't want the show to be cartoon-ish or pandering. Lest we forget that the Attitude Era was pandering when they got grown men, in the age of the Internet, to mark out for almost bare fake boobs. Or when they had the crowd singing along with catchphrases and entrances longer than half of the matches. Now don't get me wrong, I tip my hat to any promotion that can get guys like the former Papa Shango and the worst (in-ring) Armstrong brother arguably more over than their main competition's world title contenders. But I think the idea that the best parts of the Attitude Era had to do with not being TV PG is way off-base. Did cursing and tits and whatever else bring in additional eyeballs? Absolutely. But if you don't think a full-time roster that included Austin, Rock, Taker, Angle, Benoit, Eddie and Jericho (among others) would get over in just about any era, you're just plain wrong. (I'll stop here before I get started on WWE's love affair with the Attitude Era. Unnecessary rant that I'm neither willing nor prepared to defend with a cogent argument...) |
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Post by RKing85 on Sept 15, 2016 23:42:47 GMT -5
try and go back and watch a random RAW from the middle of the Attitude Era.
Damn hard to get through. I will pay $50 if anyone can find any three successive matches that don't have outside interference in them from the Attitude Era.
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Post by kalgoroth on Sept 16, 2016 3:49:57 GMT -5
90 minutes is the perfect length for a wrestling show. And you are the first person I think I have ever seen who doesn't list "Get rid of PG" as one of the solutions. Bravo. I applaud you. Agreed. I think the "get rid of PG" sentiment is a misguided thought. I think when people say that, they generally mean that they don't want the show to be cartoon-ish or pandering. Lest we forget that the Attitude Era was pandering when they got grown men, in the age of the Internet, to mark out for almost bare fake boobs. Or when they had the crowd singing along with catchphrases and entrances longer than half of the matches. Now don't get me wrong, I tip my hat to any promotion that can get guys like the former Papa Shango and the worst (in-ring) Armstrong brother arguably more over than their main competition's world title contenders. But I think the idea that the best parts of the Attitude Era had to do with not being TV PG is way off-base. Did cursing and tits and whatever else bring in additional eyeballs? Absolutely. But if you don't think a full-time roster that included Austin, Rock, Taker, Angle, Benoit, Eddie and Jericho (among others) would get over in just about any era, you're just plain wrong. (I'll stop here before I get started on WWE's love affair with the Attitude Era. Unnecessary rant that I'm neither willing nor prepared to defend with a cogent argument...) I was interested in John and Wai's discussion during this week's RAS around Raw's horrendous figure on Monday, John pointed out that the in-ring product is the best it's been for years but that doesn't necessarily translate to more eyeballs on the TV screen. The casual fan isn't interested in the in-ring, they are hooked by the drama and angles, which is what the AE had in abundance, at the expense of workrate. Yes the workrate is infinitely better, but all you are doing by going in that direction is preaching to the converted. To me, the current strategy of pushing smart fan favorites, plus the network in general, along with shows like NXT and CWC, is showing a shift in focus by the company from trying to attract the casual fan into both holding on to the fans they do have plus attracting more of the 'converted', in the sense of those who love wrestling but didn't like the WWE product as was. I imagine because they feel that there is a general shift away from regular TV watching to more on demand services, meaning there will soon no longer be (if not already) the same opportunity to grab the casual viewer. They won't ever fully give up on Raw and Smackdown while the ad money is still coming in, but you can see already that they are used more as a way to shill the network than as the flagship shows. |
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Post by quadrupleh on Sept 16, 2016 9:50:45 GMT -5
Agreed. I think the "get rid of PG" sentiment is a misguided thought. I think when people say that, they generally mean that they don't want the show to be cartoon-ish or pandering. Lest we forget that the Attitude Era was pandering when they got grown men, in the age of the Internet, to mark out for almost bare fake boobs. Or when they had the crowd singing along with catchphrases and entrances longer than half of the matches. Now don't get me wrong, I tip my hat to any promotion that can get guys like the former Papa Shango and the worst (in-ring) Armstrong brother arguably more over than their main competition's world title contenders. But I think the idea that the best parts of the Attitude Era had to do with not being TV PG is way off-base. Did cursing and tits and whatever else bring in additional eyeballs? Absolutely. But if you don't think a full-time roster that included Austin, Rock, Taker, Angle, Benoit, Eddie and Jericho (among others) would get over in just about any era, you're just plain wrong. (I'll stop here before I get started on WWE's love affair with the Attitude Era. Unnecessary rant that I'm neither willing nor prepared to defend with a cogent argument...) I was interested in John and Wai's discussion during this week's RAS around Raw's horrendous figure on Monday, John pointed out that the in-ring product is the best it's been for years but that doesn't necessarily translate to more eyeballs on the TV screen. The casual fan isn't interested in the in-ring, they are hooked by the drama and angles, which is what the AE had in abundance, at the expense of workrate. Yes the workrate is infinitely better, but all you are doing by going in that direction is preaching to the converted. To me, the current strategy of pushing smart fan favorites, plus the network in general, along with shows like NXT and CWC, is showing a shift in focus by the company from trying to attract the casual fan into both holding on to the fans they do have plus attracting more of the 'converted', in the sense of those who love wrestling but didn't like the WWE product as was. I imagine because they feel that there is a general shift away from regular TV watching to more on demand services, meaning there will soon no longer be (if not already) the same opportunity to grab the casual viewer. They won't ever fully give up on Raw and Smackdown while the ad money is still coming in, but you can see already that they are used more as a way to shill the network than as the flagship shows. What in ring product? The last two weeks there was nothing but talking segments during the first hour. This has been going on for a long time. The fifteen minute opening segment blab fest kills the excitement every time. Yet, they keep forging ahead with this format. |
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Post by Christian Small on Sept 16, 2016 10:25:24 GMT -5
try and go back and watch a random RAW from the middle of the Attitude Era. Damn hard to get through. I will pay $50 if anyone can find any three successive matches that don't have outside interference in them from the Attitude Era. The attitude era wasn't really about the ring work though, it was more a ton of angles to build up for your PPV's. It was also the main run of Russo who is infamous for this. That's not to justify those shows though which are very painful to watch, when you look back a ton of those angles are so stupid and like you mention you don't even get good matches to counteract it. Different time and different wants. It wasn't really until 2000/2001 that the in ring work actually meant more. |
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Post by RKing85 on Sept 16, 2016 23:32:22 GMT -5
yeah, to each their own. I am way more of an in ring guy than I am a storyline guy. I think the Attitude era is overrated, but I realize I'm in the minority.
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Post by Christian Small on Sept 17, 2016 2:19:44 GMT -5
I'm with you there, I grew up during the attitude era and looking back it was not that great or I should say it's not as easy to sit through as it was when I was a kid.
You need the balance of both to be a good TV show I think but I would much rather sit and watch a PWG or Progress where it's more about the in ring work and the story they tell in a match. Although I think Progress is one of the best companies for actually building storylines into great matches.
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