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Post by KingOfKings14 on Aug 24, 2016 2:02:10 GMT -5
Is it me or wwe lacking creativity was so different bout RAW and smackdown...
Same set and stage
Same set up as Commissioner and general manager
Same set of titles
What is really different between brands, nothing as of yet dissopointed with this brand split
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Post by groovyphoenix on Aug 24, 2016 4:41:22 GMT -5
What's different is the talent of each show, the fact that we're getting to see them as people as they can split the time.
Was watching Smackdown tonight and they had the tag teams, and it made me realize how the split weakened it in the sense of injuries. The Uso's are injured? That leaves five tag teams... Lose another, down to four your matches will suffer.
I like the split, it's taken a few weeks, and giving Smackdown the hour on the Network was genius on their part.
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Post by rinaldo on Aug 24, 2016 13:06:50 GMT -5
The belts suck but at least they're constant with the brand logo.
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Post by Gee Hall on Aug 24, 2016 13:23:41 GMT -5
and giving Smackdown the hour on the Network was genius on their part. How is this genius? I realize some people are losing their minds over the Miz/Bryan work, but that was a few minutes that could have easily been staged on the television program. |
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Post by Christian Small on Aug 24, 2016 13:27:31 GMT -5
The real test will be the first solo branded PPVs for both shows. I'm really not a huge fan of the titles being so similar, that really got hit over the head on Smackdown. I understand the uniformity argument but that's the one thing you're trying to avoid with this brand split, they're trying to make the shows feel different from one another.
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Post by groovyphoenix on Aug 24, 2016 21:25:02 GMT -5
and giving Smackdown the hour on the Network was genius on their part. How is this genius? I realize some people are losing their minds over the Miz/Bryan work, but that was a few minutes that could have easily been staged on the television program. The show concept, "Hey folks tune into the WWE Network for exclusive coverage" since they run a live feed they can use it, WWE now controls a place for them to market and promote that they control... How is it not genius to tell all the USA fans who watch the Smackdown (3 million?) plus across the world, if timed properly... Switch over to OUR Network to tune in!" Now in Canada, it's genius because Rogers owns all Canadian rights and the sports channel they show Smackdown and RAW so they run them live, we then go over to channel 512 (in Ottawa) to tune into their stuff to hear more of the show... It's genius marketing wise, it's drawing the crowd and who makes the money for the network? WWE... Hope I'm explaining what I mean clearly enough. |
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Post by rocketking on Aug 25, 2016 11:07:28 GMT -5
How is this genius? I realize some people are losing their minds over the Miz/Bryan work, but that was a few minutes that could have easily been staged on the television program. The show concept, "Hey folks tune into the WWE Network for exclusive coverage" since they run a live feed they can use it, WWE now controls a place for them to market and promote that they control... How is it not genius to tell all the USA fans who watch the Smackdown (3 million?) plus across the world, if timed properly... Switch over to OUR Network to tune in!" Now in Canada, it's genius because Rogers owns all Canadian rights and the sports channel they show Smackdown and RAW so they run them live, we then go over to channel 512 (in Ottawa) to tune into their stuff to hear more of the show... It's genius marketing wise, it's drawing the crowd and who makes the money for the network? WWE... Hope I'm explaining what I mean clearly enough. You're touching upon one of the major issues that hampers creative right now: WWE programming is serving too many masters. They have a network that doesn't air either of their flagship weekly shows. Not only that, but those shows are available on a different streaming service (Hulu) BEFORE they're available on the network. And, as I understand it, USA Network would (justifiably) have a pretty big issue with the overrun spilling off their airwaves and onto the Network. If the long-term answer was something simple enough that I could dream it up myself, it's probably not possible right now either financially or legally. But shooting angles on Talking Smack is a step in the right direction as far as putting more "watch live or you'll miss something" content on the Network. At the end of the day, WWE is some combination of afraid/unable to do anything of consequence on the network that might alienate the viewers that don't have it. That's why the Miz/Bryan promo was on their Youtube channel almost instantly and will probably air at least once on Smackdown next Tuesday. But the fact is that fans who don't have the network SHOULD feel like they're missing out. I remember the feeling of not being allowed to order PPV as a kid, and they have a chance to instill this feeling on a weekly if not daily basis. Obviously, you don't want to permanently chase away and discourage the people who sadly can't afford the $10/month, but there are plenty of people with the disposable income who just haven't been convinced yet. |
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Post by Gee Hall on Aug 25, 2016 12:29:46 GMT -5
How is this genius? I realize some people are losing their minds over the Miz/Bryan work, but that was a few minutes that could have easily been staged on the television program. The show concept, "Hey folks tune into the WWE Network for exclusive coverage" since they run a live feed they can use it, WWE now controls a place for them to market and promote that they control... How is it not genius to tell all the USA fans who watch the Smackdown (3 million?) plus across the world, if timed properly... Switch over to OUR Network to tune in!" Now in Canada, it's genius because Rogers owns all Canadian rights and the sports channel they show Smackdown and RAW so they run them live, we then go over to channel 512 (in Ottawa) to tune into their stuff to hear more of the show... It's genius marketing wise, it's drawing the crowd and who makes the money for the network? WWE... Hope I'm explaining what I mean clearly enough. I completely understand it. But it's not genius. At least not yet. This would have to be consistently executed on a regular basis and show monetary evidence that it is a direct result of marketing on Smackdown in correlation with ratings on the Network. Most importantly, the IWC hysteria over the Miz work (which was entertaining, mind you) just occurred this week. It was not advertised and thus there is no evidence that it has done anything. The story here, is one of viral social media. That's how most people in the internet community became aware of this video. Can it become successful? Sure, it absolutely can. That really depends on the WWE doing this with consistency. And advertising it heavily to convince people to tune in to another hour. The catch, of course, is that if we are going to see the same segment on the TV show, why tune in? Sadly, if they don't push the story and explain it on TV it's not important. Kind of a problematic situation. So "genius" remains to be seen. |
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Post by rocketking on Aug 25, 2016 14:03:09 GMT -5
The show concept, "Hey folks tune into the WWE Network for exclusive coverage" since they run a live feed they can use it, WWE now controls a place for them to market and promote that they control... How is it not genius to tell all the USA fans who watch the Smackdown (3 million?) plus across the world, if timed properly... Switch over to OUR Network to tune in!" Now in Canada, it's genius because Rogers owns all Canadian rights and the sports channel they show Smackdown and RAW so they run them live, we then go over to channel 512 (in Ottawa) to tune into their stuff to hear more of the show... It's genius marketing wise, it's drawing the crowd and who makes the money for the network? WWE... Hope I'm explaining what I mean clearly enough. I completely understand it. But it's not genius. At least not yet. This would have to be consistently executed on a regular basis and show monetary evidence that it is a direct result of marketing on Smackdown in correlation with ratings on the Network. Most importantly, the IWC hysteria over the Miz work (which was entertaining, mind you) just occurred this week. It was not advertised and thus there is no evidence that it has done anything. The story here, is one of viral social media. That's how most people in the internet community became aware of this video. Can it become successful? Sure, it absolutely can. That really depends on the WWE doing this with consistency. And advertising it heavily to convince people to tune in to another hour. The catch, of course, is that if we are going to see the same segment on the TV show, why tune in? Sadly, if they don't push the story and explain it on TV it's not important. Kind of a problematic situation. So "genius" remains to be seen. Most television programs fulfill one of the the following two criteria: It's best watched as it airs live (i.e. sports) or you can't miss an episode (i.e. Breaking Bad, etc.). Pro wrestling is the only regular programming I can think of where both of these criteria are true (I'm realizing now that all I did here was define "sports entertainment", but I like the way I phrased it, so I'm leaving it in). But anyway, that's the problem. If you don't show the promo again (and again and again), you're most likely not creating significant buzz. Instead, you have a large segment of the audience that still doesn't have a reason to care about the Miz. Unfortunately, most WWE Network programming is for the fans that aren't going anywhere, with the average fan getting the "good parts version" on the next episode of Raw or Smackdown. The best non-wrestling example I can think of is when you watch a movie and don't understand something, only to have somebody tell you "Well, in the book...". WWE Network programming is the book while Raw and Smackdown are the movies, and you can't make everybody read the book before they see the movie. |
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Post by deezy on Aug 25, 2016 15:54:22 GMT -5
Same guy has the final say in everything, same producers are doing both shows.....too many cooks don't apply.
No matter how much you want to believe Jim Cornette or anyone else who haven't worked there in 15 years.
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Post by sluggo on Aug 26, 2016 10:59:13 GMT -5
I agree.
I think they have a big opportunity with Bryan being the Smackdown GM.
They could use Bryan's past on the indy scene and with ROH and really make Smackdown a different product. Introduce something similar to ROH's "code of Honor". Make punches illegal (Jim Ross has talked about this before). Track wins and losses and use those stats who set up championship matches etc....
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