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Post by carmichael on Apr 18, 2012 17:20:15 GMT -5
from the Styles/Daniels/Joe/ era? (including guys like Kaz, Abyss, Young, Shelley and Sabin too)
I'm a fan of most of these guys work and are all seemingly good guys (as much as viewer can gauge) but to me they are such dead characters now and they've been run down and shuffled around, moved up and down the card that personally they make me completely uninterested in the TV show because i've seen them do everything
I think they've found a decent medium of having only one or two legends on the TV now, so i wouldnt say the old guys is the problem anymore
I do think though that there is a massive blockage in the mid card of guys who've been there forever and are completely blurgh.
I would much prefer to see new guys come in every 12-18 months, see if they can make it, if not move them on but TNA seem to be so loyal to this core and its annoying seeing the same guys for the last 5 or 6 years at least.
thoughts?
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Post by carmichael on Apr 18, 2012 17:22:43 GMT -5
I think its also gone way beyond the stage where you can say, 'oh you just have to book them better' Joe is such a dead character now that i wouldnt buy into him being a vicious killer again even if he murdered the whole roster with a knife
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Post by The Pod-Father! on Apr 18, 2012 18:21:52 GMT -5
I agree with giving Joe, Daniels, Kaz, Abyss, and EY a chance to earn a living in the WWE, DGUSA, or ROH...But AJ's pretty much been the heart & sould of the promotion (along with Sting) for the better part of the company's history. And the Guns can be a crucial part of a revitalized tag division...So I say those guys should have jobs for however long they want them.
I do think there is an issue with thr roster from the standpoint of not enough new blood and too many stale workers (Anderson, Hogan, Gunner, RVD, Mexican America, etc.), but hopefully that's what they're going to use OVW for.
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Post by Jack on Apr 18, 2012 20:31:04 GMT -5
I like how you phrased the question Nate. You make TNA sound like an ex who doesn't get the hint when we are going out with WWE, ROH, DGUSA or other independent yaks if you will. My answer is yes. The group of guys that currently in the roster right now have done all they are ever going to do. This is from a guy who only started watching the promotion for two years and change. I keep expecting the legendary matches that happened long ago to resurface but except in a few spots here and there I'm not getting it. Maybe it's time to do some foreign exchange with other promotions to either introduce new guys or refresh old ones by giving them a long absence from the IZ. MCMGs are a perfect example. I love their series with Beer Money but now as they return to a lukewarm product with no tag team division to speak of TNA set them up to fail big time. If I didn't know any better I'd say they were planning a break up feud really soon so they can have action packed matches together. The future of this promotion does not look good as no one is elevating from the low to mid-card, the old guys are being booked for a main event spot and the current top stars are used a cannon fodder to elevate a green worker who's never getting over.
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Post by yaknow on Apr 18, 2012 21:12:52 GMT -5
No I don't think it is time to move on from those guys. Its not the wrestlers fault that the company hasn't been able to turn them into stars. Hell they have taken guys that were stars like Jeff Hardy and significantly hurt their drawing power. Mark Henry's push last year was evidence that you can repackage a guy and get him over strong with the right push. They just need people in charge capable of doing this.
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Post by RKing85 on Apr 18, 2012 22:20:54 GMT -5
Who is there on the roster to take those spots though?
Austin Aries........and that's about all I got. Magnus in another year or so. But that's about it.
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Post by carmichael on Apr 18, 2012 22:42:16 GMT -5
No I don't think it is time to move on from those guys. Its not the wrestlers fault that the company hasn't been able to turn them into stars. Hell they have taken guys that were stars like Jeff Hardy and significantly hurt their drawing power. Mark Henry's push last year was evidence that you can repackage a guy and get him over strong with the right push. They just need people in charge capable of doing this. Well i know its not their fault they weren't capitalized on and its a shame but we cant turn back the clock and i think TNA just has to cut their losses with some of these guys cos they're tired TV characters. I like to think of Henry as the exception not really as the rule, plus his critical acclaim from the smarks was more down to the fact we've seen this guy pay his dues for 15 years and finally got a good run and we're happy for him cos he wasnt completely terrible |
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Post by carmichael on Apr 18, 2012 22:44:03 GMT -5
Who is there on the roster to take those spots though? Austin Aries........and that's about all I got. Magnus in another year or so. But that's about it. Does it matter who they put in their spots? The ratings dont go up or down either way, might as well try some new guys imo. |
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Post by The Pod-Father! on Apr 18, 2012 22:47:30 GMT -5
Actually, I'd say it would be much easier to revive AJ or the Guns career than it was for Henry because they're still putting on great matches. Daniels even had a great match last week with Aries.
The only homegrown guys that are unfixable as main event stars are Joe, Abyss, Kaz, and Hernandez. There's a lot of dead weight on the roster (especially guys like Crimson & Garett Bischoff), but I think AJ, the Guns, and maybe even Daniels have a lot of tread left on their tires.
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Post by carmichael on Apr 18, 2012 22:54:37 GMT -5
I can see your point, especially about AJ, in truth hes my favourite worker in the company and you could keep him i guess, I just don't see a good match as that valuable a commodity when the guy giving you that match is the same character you've seen for so long, it would be okay if it were 1 or 2 guys but theres 6 or 7 in TNA.
Maybe im wrong, maybe if TNA cut like Kaz, Daniels, Joe etc. then the fans wouldnt watch anymore.
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Post by yaknow on Apr 18, 2012 23:02:25 GMT -5
For sure cutting Kaz and Daniels would have no effect. Joe has been off TV for periods of time or was getting jobbed out and the ratings didn't move one way or the other. I do think Joe could be rehabbed though. Kaz or Abyss wouldn't even be worth trying IMO.
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Post by The Pod-Father! on Apr 19, 2012 3:07:52 GMT -5
I can see your point, especially about AJ, in truth hes my favourite worker in the company and you could keep him i guess, I just don't see a good match as that valuable a commodity when the guy giving you that match is the same character you've seen for so long, it would be okay if it were 1 or 2 guys but theres 6 or 7 in TNA. Maybe im wrong, maybe if TNA cut like Kaz, Daniels, Joe etc. then the fans wouldnt watch anymore. I think as long as TNA's open they're going to have to keep some workrate guys on the roster just to please their hardcore fanbase that make up that weekly TV rating. So out of the group that you first mentioned I think losing AJ would have the most negative effect on the company. Both in terms of quality matches and in terms of people that the Impact Zone crowd react to. |
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Post by Reed Benzo on Apr 21, 2012 16:17:10 GMT -5
Didn't I just read/hear somewhere that AJ himself said that TNA needs to start focusing on the future, and the future isn't guys like him anymore?
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Post by Andrew MacDonald on Apr 21, 2012 20:53:09 GMT -5
Didn't I just read/hear somewhere that AJ himself said that TNA needs to start focusing on the future, and the future isn't guys like him anymore? Pretty much. AJ should stick around, hell, I'd also like EY, Roode, Storm and Abyss to stick around as well, keep some semblance of TNA. But they do need to get some fresh talent. It's funny, Bully Ray is a fresh talent now, and I think most people feel like that. Same with Austin Aries. They should definitely look around the independents and beyond for some new blood to inject into the promotion. Especially when guys on the roster seem to rest on their laurels like RVD and Mr. Anderson. |
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Post by Gerald Sinstad on Apr 25, 2012 10:42:06 GMT -5
Who is there on the roster to take those spots though? Austin Aries........and that's about all I got. Magnus in another year or so. But that's about it. Even if they did have talented young guys coming through,they'd only stuff it up.Look at Brian Kendrick for example - great worker,plenty of charisma and personality - made to look like a fool week after week. |
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