Long time listener/lurker, first time poster...so irritated

[nevermore]

First of all let me start off by saying i fully realize i am no one in the grand scheme of things and this is just something i have been trying to ignore personally and move on but i just reached my camel's back meet straw moment, ikr, whoop dee friggin do...

Anyway, i just can't listen to the shows anymore which really, really sucks because as a smark, and just a geuine fan of Pro Wrestling, in 2017, you need a show to listen to, amiright?...i started reading and listening to F4W~! back in 2005 and as anyone who listens to Alvarez on a regular basis knows, he can grate on your nerves as well so when the merge happened i left, i had listened to the LAW for forever (since 98/99...i am 42 for context) and since the merge i became a fan of the LAW family of programs specifically the LAW, Review-a-Wai, Review-a-Raw, and WhtsNXT. lately though WhtsNXT has been so bad and has become unbearable due to Braden Walker, his smug attitude, the laughable attempts to seem relevant by using hip-hop slang (the particular episode where he waxes poetic over the use of the phrase "wasteman" by Drake was a classic, the guy just to put it bluntly, is a moron ... mo·ron / môrˌän / noun informal noun: moron / plural noun: morons / a stupid person), along with his millennial disregard for anyone over his own age makes me vomitus, not that Jason Agnew is any better. Jason's minor celeb credibility, what little there has to be, has made his head so big i am surprise he can fit that big 'ol noggin into the LAW studios, and his disrespect to some of the callers on Sunday nights is disgusting. If you listen to the show on a regular basis like most of us do here (and like he does as well) you'd realize that some of the callers have problems getting their thoughts out on the air and should be handled a little bit friendlier.

The last thing came from this week's Review-a-Raw (April 11) and is an issue that comes up in almost every show which bugs the shit out of me, John was discussing haircuts and compared Wai's hair to Naomichi Marufuji and Wai as usual took offense to it (or was about to before John had to break out his kid gloves). Now i don't know if there is some huge ground swell of Asian (can i use that term, i am Caucasian, white, a cracker, honky, something...not sure what is right these days, Canadian, American or otherwise) hate in Canada because anytime the dreaded A word is used or someone of that persuasion (can i even say that) Wai immediately starts to become butthurt and i find it's completely unwarranted. It is not racist to compare you to Marufuji as it is just a relate-able example because your hairstyles were/are similar. Furthermore, if some wouldn't or didn't compare me to someone who was Caucasian i would find it rather odd because guess what, i'll let you in on a little secret, i am Caucasian and we look similar, it's not slight so get over yourself. The race issue in today's youth culture (not that you guys are that much younger than me, i've got you by about 10 years) is frightening because guys like me, you and younger listeners/fans have the power to erase racism but you and others just seem to take every chance you can to just slap everyone in the face with it, racism will never go away unless it is forgotten and let's be honest, racism is such a minor issue these day and we are world's apart from just 50 years ago let alone 100 0r 200 years ago, it can go away in our lifetime! So i'm done, it's late and unfortunately i have to bury my father tomorrow (or today, the 12th), i am going back to Alvarez and Meltzer where at least all the dumb shit they say is about wrestling...i'm not going to tighten this up  because i'm tired and i have the aforementioned task to do so grammar nazi's have at it, fuck you

[pj]

You may be overthinking just a little.

[deezy]

Racism isn't a minor issue, get out of your basement if you truly believe that.

Good riddance.

[Deleted]

Apr 12, 2017 2:59:23 GMT -5 nevermore said:

The last thing came from this week's Review-a-Raw (April 11) and is an issue that comes up in almost every show which bugs the shit out of me, John was discussing haircuts and compared Wai's hair to Naomichi Marufuji and Wai as usual took offense to it (or was about to before John had to break out his kid gloves). Now i don't know if there is some huge ground swell of Asian (can i use that term, i am Caucasian, white, a cracker, honky, something...not sure what is right these days, Canadian, American or otherwise) hate in Canada because anytime the dreaded A word is used or someone of that persuasion (can i even say that) Wai immediately starts to become butthurt and i find it's completely unwarranted. It is not racist to compare you to Marufuji as it is just a relate-able example because your hairstyles were/are similar. Furthermore, if some wouldn't or didn't compare me to someone who was Caucasian i would find it rather odd because guess what, i'll let you in on a little secret, i am Caucasian and we look similar, it's not slight so get over yourself. The race issue in today's youth culture (not that you guys are that much younger than me, i've got you by about 10 years) is frightening because guys like me, you and younger listeners/fans have the power to erase racism but you and others just seem to take every chance you can to just slap everyone in the face with it, racism will never go away unless it is forgotten and let's be honest, racism is such a minor issue these day and we are world's apart from just 50 years ago let alone 100 0r 200 years ago, it can go away in our lifetime! So i'm done, it's late and unfortunately i have to bury my father tomorrow (or today, the 12th), i am going back to Alvarez and Meltzer where at least all the dumb shit they say is about wrestling...i'm not going to tighten this up  because i'm tired and i have the aforementioned task to do so grammar nazi's have at it, fuck you

I'll let the others respond to your particular criticisms of them, but in response to the above, dude, this is just how I joke with my friends. I know it makes John, who might be the least racist person in the world, uncomfortable when I pretend to the oversensitive about race, the same way I'm sure he knows it might make me uncomfortable to talk about my new haircut, or my shirt, or my new hat, whatever on air. I realize you might not have that same insight into our dynamic since you're only familiar with us on a superficial auditory level, but don't overthink it. We're not here to add to or fix racism with our pro wrestling podcast.

And my condolences.

[Jason X]

THIS is the problem you had that made you not only quit listening to a podcast, but write a long, frankly ignorant diatribe to let everybody know that you've decided to quit listening to a podcast?

I am white as the driven snow and not the least bit "hip" or "with it", so I have no idea what it's like to be discriminated against even in the most casual of ways, but I also can not presume to know how a person of a different ethnicity should react when they face even joking, latent, or unintentional racism.

Obviously Wai doesn't actually take offense to John's observation just as there likely wasn't any offense intended in any way on John's part, but the notion that White people tend to think all Asian people look alike or similar is a very real thing.

Why does John compare Wai's hairstyle to that of another Asian man, although from different cultures? Is it because "Chinese, Japanese, what's the difference?" or is it simply an innocent association and John is not saying "You look like a Japanese man because all you people look the same to me" and he could have just as easily said he resembled a white or latino man but he just happened to land on an Asian name first out of pure coincidence.

I don't know, I don't know John at all. Wai is around him all the time. I personally think John has zero malice or racially motivated thought when he occasionally says stuff like this to Wai on the show and if Wai knows that John isn't even aware of what he could be insinuating and he isn't bothered by it then it obviously isn't offensive.

I've listened to hundreds (thousands?) of hours of these guys talking to each other so I can tell when John actually gets on Wai's nerves. This wasn't one of those times. I can also tell that John is not a racist or bigoted in any way. I've heard him be misinformed at times, but not ignorant.

As a white guy, it isn't for us to decide what is or isn't offensive to others and who is or is not allowed to be offended. If you say something and somebody gets offended but you didn't mean to be offensive but they got offended anyway, apologize to the person. Tell them you didn't mean to say something offensive and maybe they'll tell you why they were offended and you can learn something about what might offend somebody who is different from you so you won't say something like that again to somebody else and offend them and then have to apologize to them and explain to them you didn't mean to say something offensive and it's all a misunderstanding. You'll learn what is and isn't offensive and it just might make you a more enlightened person... or don't apologize and have everybody just think you're a jerk.


Or maybe you're just one of these emboldened alt-right jerkolas who started coming out of the woodwork in the past year who think that the minorities are just too darn sensitive these days and shouldn't get so uppity when you walk up to an Asian person and squint your eyes and say to them in your best Charlie Chan impression "Ah-so Ching Chong. Where you park-a rickshaw? Won-ton soup, prease!" They should know it's a joke. "Why can't it be like the good old days, when you could make fun of a Chinaman without him wanting to Kung Fu your head off, amirite?"
and if you are, you feel free to go away and stay gone.


And also, as a white guy, It isn't for us to declare weather or not racism is real or if it exists anymore. I'm sure Wai's got stories...


Now if you're gonna complain about something Wai did I thought you were gonna talk about the times when Wai acts like it's bloody torture to have to watch a wrestling show. When he starts the podcast griping about how many times it took for him to sit through 2 hours and 45 minutes of "this stupid shit" that he covers for a god damn living! The podcasts where it sounds like at any moment he's just gonna flip the table over, say "Fuck this fucking wrestling shit! I can't take it anymore!" throw down his microphone and storm out of the room. That's what gets to me, when he acts like somebody tied him to a chair and propped his eyelids open with toothpicks and he was forced to endure some horrible manifestation of Hell that I have actually chosen to watch on my own accord as entertainment. It's like "Boo hoo, you had to watch a wrestling show and make fun of it with your buddy on the internet."

I love Wai, though.

[kangfu]

Hi I'm a long time listener and finally joined the pro boards to check out the kota ibushi apartment battle links.


As this person leaves the forum I have just joined and couldn't disagree any more. As an ethnic minority all claims of racism here are ridiculous. The LAW family is the best series of wrestling podcasts out there.

[rinaldo]

I'm Italian. I don't take offense to any jokes about Italians at all. Sorry about your father. Wai and John joke a lot and it's a shame you don't get it.

But I'm sure Wai will never forgive John for having to put up with Queen of the Ring, LOL.