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Post by john casey on Sept 18, 2016 17:24:40 GMT -5
If Daniel Bryan is unable to wrestle again and due to the fact that Brian Kendrick is on Raw, Can anyone else see Daniel Bryan training James Ellsworth to take on The Miz for the IC strap? |
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Post by deezy on Sept 18, 2016 23:23:38 GMT -5
And further make that never ending IC title run angle and make it comedic?
No chin would never, NEVER ever be taken serious by anyone who doesn't have brain trauma.
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Post by kalgoroth on Sept 19, 2016 4:29:28 GMT -5
As they said on the LAW last night, The Miz shouldn't have been pinned by Cena last week. They should be actually keeping him strong in order to build him up as a serious contender, also having the knock-on effect of making the IC strap relevant. They could easily have had the Miz cause a DQ then have Cena and Ambrose run him out of the ring, then they could have done the same angle with Ambrose laying out Cena. But no, having him feud with a comedic no-name jobber would not help him in the slightest.
I wonder if they are going to go down the route of a 'Summer of Punk'-style storyline where The Miz is threatening to take the strap with him to Raw and Bryan tries desperately to take it off him using anyone and everyone. Could be a good way to introduce Samoa Joe, given his association with the afore-mentioned ROH angle. Though again, not sure what the ultimate pay-off would be if The Miz has to drop the strap and/or remain on Smackdown.
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Post by rocketking on Sept 19, 2016 8:35:23 GMT -5
As they said on the LAW last night, The Miz shouldn't have been pinned by Cena last week. They should be actually keeping him strong in order to build him up as a serious contender, also having the knock-on effect of making the IC strap relevant. They could easily have had the Miz cause a DQ then have Cena and Ambrose run him out of the ring, then they could have done the same angle with Ambrose laying out Cena. But no, having him feud with a comedic no-name jobber would not help him in the slightest. I wonder if they are going to go down the route of a 'Summer of Punk'-style storyline where The Miz is threatening to take the strap with him to Raw and Bryan tries desperately to take it off him using anyone and everyone. Could be a good way to introduce Samoa Joe, given his association with the afore-mentioned ROH angle. Though again, not sure what the ultimate pay-off would be if The Miz has to drop the strap and/or remain on Smackdown. At some point in this style of angle, wouldn't Miz essentially become a babyface by constantly overcoming an authority figure abusing his power to try to take the strap off of him? Also, while I really like what the Miz is doing, but considering the fact that the current #1 contender for the IC Title is a guy whose last three big matches were a loss in a WWE Championship Match, a loss in (ostensibly) a #1 Contender Match and a loss in an IC Championship Match, I feel like the belt is just as much a prop as ever despite the Miz's efforts. |
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Post by deezy on Sept 19, 2016 10:03:43 GMT -5
I don't understand how a guy, holding out for more money, threatening to take a title with him to a rival organization would be considered a babyface.
Authority figures don't have to be evil.
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Post by rocketking on Sept 19, 2016 12:09:29 GMT -5
I don't understand how a guy, holding out for more money, threatening to take a title with him to a rival organization would be considered a babyface. Authority figures don't have to be evil. I agree: a babyface authority figure can do things like ban Maryse from ringside, stop Miz from "ducking" opponents, or make a stipulation like "Miz will loses his title if he DQ'd". But the idea suggested was for Miz to keep winning while Bryan is "desperately" trying to get the belt off of him. Whether they are booked/portrayed that way or not, I view that as a babyface champion and a heel authority figure. |
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Post by kalgoroth on Sept 19, 2016 12:30:30 GMT -5
I don't understand how a guy, holding out for more money, threatening to take a title with him to a rival organization would be considered a babyface. Authority figures don't have to be evil. I agree: a babyface authority figure can do things like ban Maryse from ringside, stop Miz from "ducking" opponents, or make a stipulation like "Miz will loses his title if he DQ'd". But the idea suggested was for Miz to keep winning while Bryan is "desperately" trying to get the belt off of him. Whether they are booked/portrayed that way or not, I view that as a babyface champion and a heel authority figure. If you've ever watched the Summer of Punk ROH angle, Punk was clearly the heel while James Gibson (Noble), Samoa Joe, Mick Foley et al, all clear babyfaces, were 'desperate' in their attempts to get the belt off him before he left for WWE. The idea was that the champ was disrespecting the company and had to be stopped at all costs. Punk for his part played such a despicable heel that it could not be mistaken that he was the villain of the piece. So it can be done successfully with that dynamic, though as with all things as long as it's booked right. |
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Post by Christian Small on Sept 19, 2016 12:41:01 GMT -5
Difference there being that WWE was positioned as the ultimate evil that Punk was taking the World title to. Here Miz is leaving the babyface duo of Shane & Bryan to go over to Raw with the face Foley & kinda face Steph. Also as seen this past week with Swagger, moving from Raw to Smackdown and vice versa, means very little. Granted that's Swagger and hopefully Miz would mean more but still it's going from one WWE show to another.
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Post by rocketking on Sept 19, 2016 13:29:55 GMT -5
I agree: a babyface authority figure can do things like ban Maryse from ringside, stop Miz from "ducking" opponents, or make a stipulation like "Miz will loses his title if he DQ'd". But the idea suggested was for Miz to keep winning while Bryan is "desperately" trying to get the belt off of him. Whether they are booked/portrayed that way or not, I view that as a babyface champion and a heel authority figure. If you've ever watched the Summer of Punk ROH angle, Punk was clearly the heel while James Gibson (Noble), Samoa Joe, Mick Foley et al, all clear babyfaces, were 'desperate' in their attempts to get the belt off him before he left for WWE. The idea was that the champ was disrespecting the company and had to be stopped at all costs. Punk for his part played such a despicable heel that it could not be mistaken that he was the villain of the piece. So it can be done successfully with that dynamic, though as with all things as long as it's booked right. I'm a WWE-only guy (following ROH takes way too much effort for a guy with basic cable and no free time), so I didn't know about this angle. All that I can comment on is that I don't doubt Punk being able to pull this off as a heel. But I get the feeling that 'WWE' was also a big part of his heel heat in a way that won't really translate Miz wanting to jump ship to Raw. |
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Post by kalgoroth on Sept 19, 2016 13:45:54 GMT -5
If you've ever watched the Summer of Punk ROH angle, Punk was clearly the heel while James Gibson (Noble), Samoa Joe, Mick Foley et al, all clear babyfaces, were 'desperate' in their attempts to get the belt off him before he left for WWE. The idea was that the champ was disrespecting the company and had to be stopped at all costs. Punk for his part played such a despicable heel that it could not be mistaken that he was the villain of the piece. So it can be done successfully with that dynamic, though as with all things as long as it's booked right. I'm a WWE-only guy (following ROH takes way too much effort for a guy with basic cable and no free time), so I didn't know about this angle. All that I can comment on is that I don't doubt Punk being able to pull this off as a heel. But I get the feeling that 'WWE' was also a big part of his heel heat in a way that won't really translate Miz wanting to jump ship to Raw. I certainly agree on that point. However much they want to push this faux competition I don't think the WWE will ever want to portray either brand as the heel. Which again makes me wonder what the endgame, or indeed point, of this whole thing is. Though I'm probably giving them too much credit in suggesting that they may have one...! |
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