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Post by Above Average Mike Sanders on Jul 31, 2015 18:12:43 GMT -5
To get hung up on the slur itself is to miss the forest for the trees. Context is key.
As I said in the other thread, and it bears repeating. I'm shocked by lack of comprehension of those focused on the "word" Hogan used and think that's what it is all about. The slur is a lightning rod, but as bad as it is, the really disgusting thing about Hogan's diatribe is the sentiments behind it. Take his statements and replace "n*****" with "African American" and it's still vile, disgusting and racist.
This isn't just an old man from the South letting a racial slur fly by mistake, it's way WAY worse than that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 18:18:21 GMT -5
Here are the words I grew up with and associated with Hulk Hogan.
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man, I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!
When it comes crashing down, and it hurts inside, ya' gotta take a stand, it don't help to hide, Well, you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride, I gotta be a man; I can't let it slide, I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man, I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!
I feel strong about right and wrong, And I don't take trouble for very long, I got something deep inside of me, and courage is the thing that keeps us free, I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man, I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!
Well you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride, I gotta be a man; I can't let it slide, I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man, I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life! I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man, I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!
*****Its a dark shame that Terry Bolleya can't live up to them.
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Post by matskralc on Jul 31, 2015 18:34:43 GMT -5
Trying to compare slurs with others is silly as they don't share the same history and don't share te same pain that goes with it. Precisely. The reason racism is bad is not because of some vague idea that "some words are mean". Racism is bad because it is a representation of an unfair power imbalance. Some people are on top and some people are on the bottom for no reason other than their race. In the West (where, incidentally, almost the entirety of the LAW's audience is), this manifested itself in the form of whites oppressing non-whites. In contrast, non-white oppression of whites has not has not been a central feature of Western civilization for centuries now. This is why the idea of anti-white slurs is mostly preposterous. Whites are the ones who have been in the position of power. The entire point using a slur is to remind somebody that you believe they are beneath you. Western Whites haven't been beneath anybody. Any attempt to slur them is ineffectual, at best, given that history. The N-bomb isn't bad because it has some inherent derogatory connotation to it. The N-bomb is bad because it was used by oppressors in order to describe those they oppressed, and it is used now to remind certain people of the oppression that was once visited upon them by virtue of their race. Whites are not being reminded of a time when non-whites treated them like property every time you call one a "cracker". Here, Louis CK can say it much funnier than I can:
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Post by groovyphoenix on Jul 31, 2015 20:18:53 GMT -5
I'm only going to comment on this as my point of viee and my understanding, I head the call, I laughed, I laughed because I felt he was ignorant in expressing himself with that kind of language to expresss his view on a racist. The bigger picture is one word I think, and don't get me wrong the remark would have still been racits. But ONE word can make a difference.
If Hulk had said "My daughter is dating a damn N* and I hate it" compared to what he said, most probably people would have overlooked it as a "concerned father making an angry statement" vs a racist one, (my take on it only don't shoot me for thinking like this) I do agree that everyone is a bit racist we all have some pre conceived beliefs or notions, what make s a person grow is that they can learn and not judge based on the color of a skin or religion or sexual preference.
Is Hogan a racist? Most probably he is, Was the guy who called him a cracker racist? Well look at the definition and decide for yourself, I personally think we're all a bit racist at some point in our life.
I also think that sometimes people see or use "racism" when they know they are wrong. I will give an example (and yes folks can groan if they want) My neighbor (who was colored, and I say this only to describe him not judge him) had (in my opinion) little respect for his neighbors (that would be me) many times he played drums at 3am keeping my kids up I had to call the police numerous times on him because of this and he claimed "religious freedom" to play his drums. Ok fine, but it's STILL respect of your neighbors... One day it took the cake he decided to have a party, his lawn (never cared for because he believed that the landlord should cut his grass not him... Why rent a house if you don't plan to take care of it?!!?) was not cut, but mine (because I do care about the place I live in) was cut, cared for weeded, and actually very nice! Well the neighbor decidd that MY front lawn was the place to have a party... I went outside and yelled at him to "Get the F off my lawn" he came back yelling at me I was racist because I told him to get off my lawn! If that makes me racists? So be it, I'm racist!
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Post by Jay on Aug 1, 2015 18:20:32 GMT -5
Well, coming from a bi-racial point of view, the term "cracker" does not have the same impact as "nigger". I've never heard of white slave owners and their families through generations, getting all up in arms about a black person calling them a "cracker". Whites were dominating blacks and in some aspects, still do today and the word "nigger" was always used as a degrading designation to be "sub-human" or "second class". It just isn't the same no matter how you spin it or what you try to invent. You can whine all you want about them letting "cracker" go, but you did hear a clip of Vince McMahon saying "What's up my nigga?!" on that same show. These words and their outdated meanings need to phase out all together so we can progress as a species and judging by all this racism and race baiting in the media, progress isn't coming any time soon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 18:57:52 GMT -5
Speaking as a white guy, I don't even think cracker is a racial slur. Isn't it just a slur against people that smoke crack? Like a crackhead? Well according to Urban Dictionary its a whip cracker. Well I learn new stuff every day.
The N word is usually associated with a time and era that the US is trying to forget. A time where when people were killed for being a specific race they were called that N word while being hanged, strung up or burned alive or enslaved. These are a race of people we share a country with. Not a racial word said against a country whose race we are at war with.
Because it was said to those that were killed for being a particular race, its not just an insult its a threat from those that kill to their victims.
The only word I think that comes close to the amount of death brought to those having it said against them is a F word meaning homosexual.
Trying to turn things around saying a whip cracker is the same as "we killed you because we bought you or your not our race" is ludicrous.
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Post by Billy Kidman's Jorts on Aug 2, 2015 1:08:37 GMT -5
I thought it was hilarious that the guy found using racial slurs in privacy so offensive and hurtful that he decided to call up the LAW and use one live on the air. No one was offended by it but it was still so hypocriticaly hilarious.
White people, since you invented practically everything, conquered the world and have built the greatest civilizations on Earth that everybody else wants to live in, you can't say racial slurs or your life will be ruined. Deal with it.
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Post by deezy on Aug 2, 2015 1:14:47 GMT -5
Only thing hilarious is someone trying to equate cracker to nigger.
The room doesn't get quiet when someone says cracker. Because the context of said word doesn't have the same connotation, it's always been a bad comeback.
But keep championing your cause, all it does is out you for being the contrarian that you've been exhibiting.
Or is this another joke?
Because noones laughing.
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Post by Billy Kidman's Jorts on Aug 2, 2015 1:36:55 GMT -5
Only thing hilarious is someone trying to equate cracker to nigger. The room doesn't get quiet when someone says cracker. Because the context of said word doesn't have the same connotation, it's always been a bad comeback. But keep championing your cause, all it does is out you for being the contrarian that you've been exhibiting. Or is this another joke? Because noones laughing. All of this is true. Almost all white people don't get offended by being called racist names but there is such a strong reaction to any white person saying something racist that there could be a backlash to all of this by a large number of white people. Like now if some black celebrity uses a derogatory word about white people in public or private, a lot of white people might call for a boycott on their project or for them to loose their job. All of this extreme PC could come back to bite the social justice warriors in the butt. It could end up in a even steven world.
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Post by ramachandrabroz on Aug 2, 2015 5:22:31 GMT -5
The issue here is not what word is the worst or not, but about how this 1 hr show dedicated itself to doom racism, whilst treated callers differently based on the assumed colour of their skin. All justifications made here doesn't change the fact that this happened. Everyone trying to belittle or otherwise try to justify this fact are a part of the problem.
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Post by deezy on Aug 2, 2015 14:22:48 GMT -5
The issue here is not what word is the worst or not, but about how this 1 hr show dedicated itself to doom racism, whilst treated callers differently based on the assumed colour of their skin. All justifications made here doesn't change the fact that this happened. Everyone trying to belittle or otherwise try to justify this fact are a part of the problem. No the problem is someone trying to equate things that came from two different ends of the spectrum. Always some idiot who reacts like "in the interest of fairness" only starts to apply when it affects them....that's the problem.
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Post by ramachandrabroz on Aug 2, 2015 14:34:00 GMT -5
No the problem is apologists, insensitive people and positive racists.
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Post by deezy on Aug 2, 2015 16:22:29 GMT -5
No the problem is apologists, insensitive people and positive racists. Now it's apologists? Adding more doesn't make your point any more valid. It's still stupid and nowhere near insensitive as you try to make it. You blew a molehill and are clutching at any reason to justify it. Positive racists, what a stupid made up term.
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Post by The Pod-Father! on Aug 3, 2015 8:02:06 GMT -5
Wow...Where do I start here? First off, "Positive Racism"...Is that like the inversion or "Reverse Racism" (another delightfully off-target term)? Second, even if you disagree with the brief content of that caller's (highly entertaining, IMO) rant...If you feel like what he or Dan/Jay/Pollock said in those 2 minutes was "racist", we're really lowering the bar on what constitutes racism. Could I see someone finding it slightly offensive, perhaps. But racist? I think thou doth protest too much. And finally, you know what would solve all of this? What if some really smart, really funny podcasters were able to get ahold of that "racist" caller and talk to him for about 10-15 minutes and get to the bottom of this stuff. If only... BTW, don't forget to check out the latest edition of The Kings Of Sport Podcast featuring our thoughts on Hulk Hogan, Marcus' interaction w/"Wrestling Superstar" Virgil,, a chat w/legendary LAW caller Ronnie from Houston, and a musical tribute to Roddy Piper!
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Post by Above Average Mike Sanders on Aug 3, 2015 10:39:12 GMT -5
No the problem is apologists, insensitive people and positive racists. D.A.F.
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