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Post by groovyphoenix on Jan 29, 2015 13:03:47 GMT -5
So he said he will listen to the guys he knows he can learn from and pay no attention to people who don't know the job. How is that controversial? If I was a carpenter, I would listen to the journeyman with his red seal, and not the guy who watches Holmes on Homes every week. It's a joke how people who doesn't know the ins and outs of that job to act like they know what a guy should be doing. So I need to be a plumber to know the sink is clogged? I need a vet diploma to know my horse is limping and hsi leg is broken cuz a bone is sticking out? It's stupid to say "Just because you don't do something you know nothing" Thats a copout approach. Am I qualified to offer him adivce on how he can improve? As qualified as anyone else who watches wrestling. I don't need to DO something to know what I like, or who I think is right. I also did over 6 years around the ring I didn't step in due to health reasons but I did over 6 years of tearing down a ring, helping setup shows, and yes, the booker even listened to my ideas. Why? Because "Son, sometimes a good idea can be pulled out of anybody's ass once in a while." and its very narrow minded to say "Well just because he's not a wrestler means he knows nothing" I may not know HWO to do an arm bar or a headlock but I've seen enough of them in my 30+ years of watching wrestling to know what a headlock and an arm bar is and wether it's done right or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:47:16 GMT -5
He's a big guy that fits the look like a Batista, but he has a wrestling family like Orton. He'll be around for the next 20 years. Get used to it. He'll be the guy squashing Ziggler week after week while Daniel Bryan is stuck in a feud with Kane for years. Nah, he won't last that long. I see him burning out in at least 5 to 7 years from WWE shining a light on him too quickly. Like Court Bauer alluded to on the latest episode of Bauer and Pollock, this feels very much like a Chris Masters situation. Someone with a look the company drooled over that got hoisted into the spotlight too quickly and got his weaknesses exposed by the audience. He has wrestling linage. He will last longer on screen than the other two members of Shield. Chris Masters was never in a top spotlight, nor does he have wrestling lineage. People need to be happy Kane or Big Show didn't win to challenge Brock Lesnar in a barn burner of a Wrestlemania main event. I'd rather see Show vs Lesnar, even if its a 10 year old match.
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Post by JN on Jan 29, 2015 14:51:55 GMT -5
Agree to disagree I suppose.
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Post by deezy on Jan 30, 2015 3:36:41 GMT -5
So he said he will listen to the guys he knows he can learn from and pay no attention to people who don't know the job. How is that controversial? If I was a carpenter, I would listen to the journeyman with his red seal, and not the guy who watches Holmes on Homes every week. It's a joke how people who doesn't know the ins and outs of that job to act like they know what a guy should be doing. So I need to be a plumber to know the sink is clogged? I need a vet diploma to know my horse is limping and hsi leg is broken cuz a bone is sticking out? It's stupid to say "Just because you don't do something you know nothing" Thats a copout approach. Am I qualified to offer him adivce on how he can improve? As qualified as anyone else who watches wrestling. I don't need to DO something to know what I like, or who I think is right. I also did over 6 years around the ring I didn't step in due to health reasons but I did over 6 years of tearing down a ring, helping setup shows, and yes, the booker even listened to my ideas. Why? Because "Son, sometimes a good idea can be pulled out of anybody's ass once in a while." and its very narrow minded to say "Well just because he's not a wrestler means he knows nothing" I may not know HWO to do an arm bar or a headlock but I've seen enough of them in my 30+ years of watching wrestling to know what a headlock and an arm bar is and wether it's done right or not. Comparing a clogged sink to building a house is like like noticing a limp and not knowing why the horse is limping. Call the vet. lol @ small time promotion being the same as WWE. OMGZ that means the little Indy movie that used some grips idea means that Marvel movies should listen to fan fiction because someone thought Guardians was going to bomb.
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Post by groovyphoenix on Jan 30, 2015 11:34:00 GMT -5
So I need to be a plumber to know the sink is clogged? Comparing a clogged sink to building a house is like like noticing a limp and not knowing why the horse is limping. Call the vet. lol @ small time promotion being the same as WWE. OMGZ that means the little Indy movie that used some grips idea means that Marvel movies should listen to fan fiction because someone thought Guardians was going to bomb. Glad you are to dismess things you apparently know nothing about, a "small time indy movie" becomes a great hit by doing things differently, narrow mindedness is what's ruining WWE, "We are 3lit3 we will listen to no one and do what we want" the problem with that attitude is the sooner or later people get fed up and take their money and in this case don't spend it. And that's the day Vinny goes "WHY!!!" Why because you didn't listen. I'm not saying all shit flung on the wall is good shit, but there is a nugget once in a while that can shine, the problem is with the same set of eyes looking, chances are that nugget will be missed. If you want to banter and compare, I know enough to build a house and make is solid, I am not a carpenty, plumber or an electrician, but I know enough about ALL of these "industries" that I could easily build a shed with running water and a light/plug in it. Would I wire up a power panel? No, but given clear instructions I could. It's idiotic of people to claim "only those trained" have a right to an opinion, So because I'm not a mechanic, I should not say to mine "Hey it's doing something in the wheel area" everyone has an opinion. The key is, everyone has an asshole too. and everyone has a right to their opinion, you can be narrow minded and close minded and believe that only you can be right, or you can listen to others, take the nuggets you find and use them, or just be narrow minded keep thinking your the only "god" in wrestling that knows anything and people will shit on you.
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Post by deezy on Jan 30, 2015 13:11:23 GMT -5
So you're entitled to an opinion, good job. Lets hide behind that talking point, because an opinion means you are right. I have an opinion that dogs can't look up....it doesn't make me right.
Even Russo got some training before he started writing wrestling magazines. People take such umbrage because a company or celebrity/athlete who don't take your shit because you think you know better.
That's the problem, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but if you don't have firsthand knowledge, than why would anyone take your opinions over somebody who have actual experience in the field?....almost like what Reigns said isn't it?
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Post by Mark613 on Jan 30, 2015 13:26:44 GMT -5
So you're entitled to an opinion, good job. Lets hide behind that talking point, because an opinion means you are right. I have an opinion that dogs can't look up....it doesn't make me right. Even Russo got some training before he started writing wrestling magazines. People take such umbrage because a company or celebrity/athlete who don't take your shit because you think you know better. That's the problem, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but if you don't have firsthand knowledge, than why would anyone take your opinions over somebody who have actual experience in the field?....almost like what Reigns said isn't it? So for somebody to have any success in pro wrestling, or to have a respected opinion on the subject, they need to have trained in-ring as a worker?
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Post by deezy on Jan 30, 2015 15:27:01 GMT -5
Jesus, the guy said he doesn't pay attention to critics who speak on things they have no experience in. And te only critiques he listens to are from vets.
Some marks opinions on what he does professionally means nothing to him. Fuck sakes get over yourselves if you think the guy should just hand over his push to someone else because some guys who just watch wrestling think he "isn't ready".
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Post by Mark613 on Jan 30, 2015 15:31:12 GMT -5
Jesus, the guy said he doesn't pay attention to critics who speak on things they have no experience in. And te only critiques he listens to are from vets. Some marks opinions on what he does professionally means nothing to him. Fuck sakes get over yourselves if you think the guy should just hand over his push to someone else because some guys who just watch wrestling think he "isn't ready". I was just asking for clarification on the subject in general, that's all man.
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Post by JN on Jan 30, 2015 15:39:23 GMT -5
Guys it seems like we're getting a little heated in here. Let's all blow some steam, take a breath and watch Daniel Bryan punch Roman Reigns face in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 16:06:36 GMT -5
I've always found the "your critique of _________ is invalid unless you've done it yourself" line of thinking to be a defensive tool of the very thin skinned.
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Post by deezy on Jan 30, 2015 17:08:47 GMT -5
And getting upset because someone apparently doesn't value your opinion isn't a little thin skinned?
Bret Hart has said the same exact thing about non wrestlers critiquing wrestlers work when they have never been in a ring so they wouldn't know what that work actually entails
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 21:48:52 GMT -5
I don't see anyone getting upset other than you, but then again, you're the same guy who attempted to use a lighthearted thread about goofy Roman Reigns promos as a way to randomly tie it into a tangent about how terrible CM Punk is.
Or something like that.
Your Negative Nancy approach tends to kill productive and friendly conversation, in case you haven't noticed.
Maybe you're just a really, really big Roman Reigns fan or something, because I've noticed you getting overly-defensive in threads about him.
If it's because you're a supporter of the master of the apron dropkick, relax, man. It's not that serious.
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Post by groovyphoenix on Jan 30, 2015 22:16:01 GMT -5
Maybe you're just a really, really big Roman Reigns fan or something, because I've noticed you getting overly-defensive in threads about him. If it's because you're a supporter of the master of the apron dropkick, relax, man. It's not that serious. I actually like that move from Reigns, it's better then the "three man power bomb" which to me and my so unprofessional opinion that means nothing to Roman reigns made him look weak, I mean he needed to have three guys lift the same guy someone like Undertaker could do alone? Meh he looked weak, but then I saw the move for what it was a finished of "The Shielf" (and now Rollins and the stooges) Deezy is allowed to have an opinion, but as with us, it doesn't matter anyway, he totally reads what he wants to read into something, All I said is that you don't discount an opinion just because the person isn't on the same level as you are (or above) because you never know when a good idea happens. I don't need to be a pro wrestler to have an idea about a gimmick or a match or etc. etc. But in his opinion that doesn't matter. Well I'm gonna take Roman Reigns attitude "Since Deezy doesn't know me, his opinion mens nothing." I find it ironic that attitude is spoken so often and as someon above said, to me thats an insecure defense of someone wanting to think that they are the only way to be right and no someone else couldn't be ight I mean, they aren't pros what do they know?
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Post by JN on Jan 30, 2015 23:19:02 GMT -5
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