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Post by TariQ on Jan 27, 2015 20:44:13 GMT -5
WWE Network hits 1 Million subscribers.
After the Rumble, seeing #CancelWWEnetwork trend for over 24 hours, and then get so much mainstream media coverage, the last thing I expected to hear was the announcement of 1 Million subscribers. I was a little confused from John's report on their site about it, whether the number is a recent milestone, or exactly which quarter its referring to. Nonetheless, I guess it doesn't help Daniel Bryan's case and certainly reassures the head office that Roman Reigns is the way to go for them. lol
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Post by Mark613 on Jan 27, 2015 20:47:29 GMT -5
WWE Network hits 1 Million subscribers. After the Rumble, seeing #CancelWWEnetwork trend for over 24 hours, and then get so much mainstream media coverage, the last thing I expected to hear was the announcement of 1 Million subscribers. I was a little confused from John's report on their site about it, whether the number is a recent milestone, or exactly which quarter its referring to. Nonetheless, I guess it doesn't help Daniel Bryan's case and certainly reassures the head office that Roman Reigns is the way to go for them. lol The report could easily be construed as a public response to the cancel business, which picked up a lot of attention. It has more to do with Europe opening up, than any one talent. And if you they hit a million going into the Rumble, could you not attribute that to people wanting to see Bryan's return, just as much as any star? The numbe's announcement only reflects the company's response to bad publicity... It is awesome they hit the number in under a year, but that mark is not domestically, and is worldwide. |
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Post by daltonimperial on Jan 27, 2015 20:51:19 GMT -5
Whether 500 or 500,000 people actually did #CancelWWENetwork, they would still show up as subscribers (except for those few whose subs were scheduled to renew on, say, the 26th, so they would no longer be subs as of today, the 27th). It wasn't exactly clear when the 1M number was hit: does it mean WWE is currently (or at least as of the time the press release was issued) at 1M? Does the 1M mean "active" subs (such that people who canceled but whose sub doesn't run out until the 15th would no longer be counted)?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 21:09:41 GMT -5
For about a month. I canceled my subscription a week before the event happened. I'll pick it up again at Mania. Lived free of wrestling 6 months. I never missed it.
I thought fans all loved Roman Reigns. Did he go heel or something? In the Rumble I picked up on Daniel Bryan and Dean Ambrose being bigger stars. I'd rather see Bryan in that spot. That's a little HHH right there commanding all the Internet marks.
WWE has really turned itself around I thought it was a great show with 0 singles matches and 4 tag matches. DX vs NXT rejects was a stinker.
Seeing the cancel WWE thing in mainstream media made me embarrassed to be a former fan of WWE. Fans can't take an upset? I was happy when I noticed Batista and Orton weren't on the show.
Has the WWE done an angle where the fans hijack the show yet?
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Post by TariQ on Jan 27, 2015 22:55:46 GMT -5
WWE Network hits 1 Million subscribers. After the Rumble, seeing #CancelWWEnetwork trend for over 24 hours, and then get so much mainstream media coverage, the last thing I expected to hear was the announcement of 1 Million subscribers. I was a little confused from John's report on their site about it, whether the number is a recent milestone, or exactly which quarter its referring to. Nonetheless, I guess it doesn't help Daniel Bryan's case and certainly reassures the head office that Roman Reigns is the way to go for them. lol The report could easily be construed as a public response to the cancel business, which picked up a lot of attention. It has more to do with Europe opening up, than any one talent. And if you they hit a million going into the Rumble, could you not attribute that to people wanting to see Bryan's return, just as much as any star? The numbe's announcement only reflects the company's response to bad publicity... It is awesome they hit the number in under a year, but that mark is not domestically, and is worldwide. I definitely see your point, however, I believe they [whomever is head office] do not see it as that. |
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Post by TariQ on Jan 27, 2015 22:56:59 GMT -5
Whether 500 or 500,000 people actually did #CancelWWENetwork, they would still show up as subscribers (except for those few whose subs were scheduled to renew on, say, the 26th, so they would no longer be subs as of today, the 27th). It wasn't exactly clear when the 1M number was hit: does it mean WWE is currently (or at least as of the time the press release was issued) at 1M? Does the 1M mean "active" subs (such that people who canceled but whose sub doesn't run out until the 15th would no longer be counted)? That's exactly all the questions that ran through my head as well, and knowing their history of cloudy numbers, who knows what the truth is at this point. |
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Post by deezy on Jan 27, 2015 23:11:28 GMT -5
Good for them. No money is going into my pocket.
Angry wrestling fans will always come back, battered wives always make excuses to come back.
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Post by RKing85 on Jan 27, 2015 23:43:07 GMT -5
Knowing the WWE, it wouldn't surprize me at all if the WWE sent out the press release 1 minute after they legit hit 1 million.
I had a good laugh at the guy on Review a Raw who said he heard a rumor than 250,000 people cancelled their subscriptions immediately after the Rumble PPV. If more than 2,500 people cancelled, I'd be stunned.
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Post by Gee Hall on Jan 28, 2015 0:32:02 GMT -5
Has the WWE done an angle where the fans hijack the show yet? Not intentionally. Of course the RAW in 2013 after Mania was more or less that. |
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Post by drustew on Jan 28, 2015 2:16:11 GMT -5
Has the WWE done an angle where the fans hijack the show yet? Not intentionally. Of course the RAW in 2013 after Mania was more or less that. Remember they done the whole Occupy Raw segment with Daniel Bryan. That was a 'hijack'. For this 1 million number I'd say 99% it's the number of people who have signed up, USA, Canada, UK etc including people who have cancelled and resigned up and the free month sign ups. The current subscription number will probably still be around 700-800 000 mark. |
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Post by groovyphoenix on Jan 28, 2015 10:56:02 GMT -5
Just like Netflix WWE will hit the mark eventually, value for money always wins over, and those who can pay it will I'd rather pay 12$ a month then 55$ any day of the year, I still love "Wrestling" as a whole, not just WWE but the sport and all the panache and fanfare of it all. As much as I hated Reigns winning, I enjoyed and got my 12$ worth out of the rumble with the triple threat and yes, even the rumble, sure I didn't like the winner but, do we ever really get to choose? Vinnie and his crew spew out "what's good for business, and we give the fans what they want" but in the end? WWE does what WWe wants and if you don't like it, don't watch it...
But like any drug, Vinnie is the only reliable dealer in town right now that has the goods, his goods don't need to be the BEST. Why? Because he's the only source of your fix. So, suck it up, bitch moan and fork over your cash, or stream it free and pretend to be all big about it. Or suck it up buttercup, something or someone WILL eventually come and hit it big time where Vinnie won't have a choice.
I enjoy Bryan, don't get me wrong, but he has not proven to be that, and Vinnie knows it, he's hot, people like him but he's no Rock, the mistake that Vinnie might be making though is hoping that anotehr Rock is in the waiting and he'll find him and forget what's right in front of his face. I think that's what Vinnie is doing now, putting the cart before the horse and hoping we'll help him get pulled along. In the older days of "sink or swim" they guys thrived because Vinnie kept his finger in the pot and knew what the fans wanted...
Now... I'm not so sure, with his "millinials" comment... I thought quite honestly that he had partaken of his own stash! I mean really? A millinial? WTF... Why not look at your cookie cutter system and see that Vinnie while you changed the business, you also destroyed your farm territory by buying everything up!
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Post by TariQ on Jan 28, 2015 11:28:27 GMT -5
From a business perspective, and in the long run, yes the Network will succeed. But it takes time naturally and organically. I just found it coincidental that they did a press release and stated their number of 1-million so soon after all the mainstream media picked up on the #CancelWWEnetwork and the negative response that the Royal Rumble got. Media such as TIME, USA today etc typically don't even report on negative fan response, let alone WWE at all. And the WWE has also really shied away from outwardly stating their subscriber numbers and have held off on stating that number until important investor conference calls that they've held. But all in all, I'm not calling it a lie, just a coincidence, and at the same time probably attributed to the Royal Rumble to Wresltemania season.
I enjoy Daniel Bryan as well, but I wonder what kind of numbers he's creating from a fiscal standpoint. I believe that if he was the top #1 guy in money Vince wouldn't hesitate putting him on top every show. It's a business. But as vocal as fans can be, WWE is a huge publicly traded company that looks at numbers every quarter. However, most recently, Daniel Bryan was off of TV for months, perhaps that also played a roll. All Daniel Bryan talk aside, I only mentioned him originally with the intention of a funny hint of sarcasm.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 9:56:35 GMT -5
Value for the money. People like the Rumble, and Mania. Having people pay $10 for Mania was so much better than $60. Someone at that company is a genius. I still think people will be like me cancel after the Rumble to save $10 pick it up for Mania and cancel for Mania. You can see all the back PPVs. I need to do that before my subscription runs out. 6 months of PPVs. Don't give a fukc about the TV.
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Post by thelaw on Jan 29, 2015 13:50:45 GMT -5
Supposedly, the WWE put out the press release right after they hit the 1 million mark. The time they hit the mark was right after the Rumble. So, the WWE has obviously not been averaging a million for any length of time.
Apparently, the free promo for November was a big help. That is why the company is having the same free deal in February. Those people who signed up either like the product or were too lazy to cancel.
Furthermore, there was a good chunk of people who signed up just for the Rumble. Looks like the network's best numbers of every year will be the date right after Mania and Rumble.
The released number does in fact include recent cancels. Court Bauer says it takes 30 days for the system to recognize a cancellation. It has also been demonstrated that large numbers of users have no problem dropping the service which means right now, the number cannot be considered stable.
The ideal number to tell you how the network is doing of course would be figure for the other 363 days of the year and not just mark for the 2 biggest events of the year.
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Post by daltonimperial on Jan 30, 2015 22:12:25 GMT -5
I wonder how many subscribers in the UK/Ireland have actually paid money for the Network (assuming they are included in the 1M subscribers in the WWE press release). According to this WWE press release (http://www.wwe.com/wwenetwork/watch-in-united-kingdom-26927624), the Network launched there on Sunday, January 18 (I think on Twitter I read that some people were able to access it a few days before then - the article I link next mentions it being available on the 14th, but the 18th was the official launch date); then this article (http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/wwe-network-launches-early-uk-4979108) says that subscribers in the UK/Ireland get a 14-day free trial.
Thus, if WWE is including these UK/Ireland people as subscribers, nearly all of them would not have paid any money to WWE because they would still be on their 14-day free trial as of the 27th (someone would have had to sign up by the 12th or earlier to be outside the free trial window at that time). And with the Network being free to existing subscribers in the UK/Ireland (http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/547685-news-for-current-wwe-network-subscribers-in-uk-ireland-wwe-offering-free-month-of-service-for-your-patience), they won't be paying until March 1 (if they signed up January 18, launch date, that would take them up to February 1, at which point the free February would kick in).
It's very possible that people on free trials are not included as subscribers for this press release, but it still struck me as odd that the press release didn't say "paying" or "paid".
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