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Post by deezy on Jan 26, 2015 12:39:32 GMT -5
Hey, IWC m got their way last year, wWE are in rebuilding our mainevent mode. Bryan is already made. Him winning makes no sense, he had his defining moment. Why are people contradicting themselves in their rants about "new this" and "new that", but fully shit on someone because an already established maineventer got eliminated. I assume you're trolling, but hell, I've got five minutes to I'll respond. You do realize, WWE is selling a Network, aimed at the "IWC"? And this isn't 2005 anymore, and the "Internet Wrestling Community" ins't a niche group of fans, it is there core base of fans, and the ones who they're selling to. Bryan winning in fact would make A LOT of sense. LOGICALLY, he should be coming back in the hunt for a title he never lost. LOGICALLY, he should be chasing the title, and looking to get back to where he was last seen (as the top guy in the promotion). LOGICALLY, a promotion bringing back a guy in said situation, would put him over in a match that would put him back on track for those things. LOGICALLY, you give the fans, who are vocal, spend money on your product, and go to your shows, what they want. LOGICALLY, you don't bring Bryan back for the Rumble, if he isn't winning it. Bryan's fans never got the title run that they wanted / he deserved. It was cut short. WWE allowed this to take front and center stage before heading into Mania. They brought Bryan back, and pushed that matter. The company is just so out of touch, it is remarkable. They could have saved Bryan's return, not pushed him into the Rumble. They could have gone with two guys who their fans adore in Ziggler or Ambrose. Instead, they pushed ahead with another "chosen one" in Reigns. This would have been like Rocky winning the rumble in 1997 or 1998. Lots of potential, but just the wrong call at the end of the day. Logically smark fans wouldn't cheer for a guy to win a match last year and than turn on the guy for winning it the next year. But i guess it was some sort of "ironic cheer" because Batista had so much heat. Logically....I thought everyone knew who was the winner was supposed to be, don't act cry foul now when people clamour for long term planning only to cry when they stick to their guns. And enough with the "Bryan deserves" bullshit. Even if he wasnt injured, he could've held that title for 9 years and his fanbase would be second guessing every decision into the ground. And when he would eventually lose the title it would be the same exact reaction as it now. As for th network only being aimed at the IWC....no. It's aimed at anyone who wants it. Entitled fans who think they know better are always going to subscribe and unsubscribe. They will always come back. But what do I know, I was cheering with my bros when Reigns won, we were laughing our asses off at the crowd reaction after Bryan got eliminated. I like the prospect of Brock vs Reigns but that must mean I'm a troll right? Bryan deserves to beat the entire roster in one night with both hands tied behind his back. Because he deserves it. Yawn.
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Post by Mark613 on Jan 26, 2015 13:17:14 GMT -5
Logically smark fans wouldn't cheer for a guy to win a match last year and than turn on the guy for winning it the next year. But i guess it was some sort of "ironic cheer" because Batista had so much heat. Logically....I thought everyone knew who was the winner was supposed to be, don't act cry foul now when people clamour for long term planning only to cry when they stick to their guns. And enough with the "Bryan deserves" bullshit. Even if he wasnt injured, he could've held that title for 9 years and his fanbase would be second guessing every decision into the ground. And when he would eventually lose the title it would be the same exact reaction as it now. As for th network only being aimed at the IWC....no. It's aimed at anyone who wants it. Entitled fans who think they know better are always going to subscribe and unsubscribe. They will always come back. But what do I know, I was cheering with my bros when Reigns won, we were laughing our asses off at the crowd reaction after Bryan got eliminated. I like the prospect of Brock vs Reigns but that must mean I'm a troll right? Bryan deserves to beat the entire roster in one night with both hands tied behind his back. Because he deserves it. Yawn. Fans cheered Reigns last year because they wanted ANYBODY other than Batista. It's not that hard to figure that out. My reference to the IWC / Network, I think you missed my point. I am saying that they "IWC" doesn't exist. The Network is an online-based service, soooo, by its very definition, is going after the "internet wrestling community". You must be a troll because you're ignoring what most people are complaining about. You think people are upset it isn't Bryan. While I made my case for Bryan, I'd also make it for Ambrose, Ziggler, fuck, even Mizdow. Give it to somebody, ANYBODY, that the crowd wants to invest in. Bottom line about Bryan - the WWE essentially put themselves into the position they are in right now. They brought Bryan back, and built up a certain story. Only the most unaware moron would think they could do this and get a different reaction than they received, and are getting. I shake my head at the fact that the company could have avoided ALL of this, if they just saved Bryan's return until next month. They have turned off fans, and left money on the table by putting Bryan in the position they put him in. WWE is out of touch. No way around that. And to argue against that is ridiculous. The fact that Cena, the company's top guy, is booed by the majority of their audience, and it is acknowledged on a consistent basis shows this. The fact that the building was booing at the finish last night, despite the fact The Rock (arguably the most over guy in the business in two decades) made a surprise appearance to try and "make good", shows this. Fans do not want what the company has been force feeding them for the better part of a decade. Lastly, I don't think anybody is saying Reigns doesn't deserve to be a top guy... I think that in time, he could be. Right now however, he is the wrong guy for that spot.
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Post by Andrew Sheehy on Jan 26, 2015 14:49:45 GMT -5
Thank god I decided to skip the event this year. Reason 5454 why I enjoy UFC more than WWE these days. The Royal Rumble Match is starting to become the Royal Fumble.
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Post by Mark613 on Jan 26, 2015 15:50:40 GMT -5
A fantastic article by PWInsider's Dave Scherer... I would link it to the regular version of the site, but I am sure people would complain about the adds on the free-version of the site. Here you go. Sums things up nicely.
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Post by daltonimperial on Jan 26, 2015 16:41:41 GMT -5
I don't think the reaction would have been incredibly different outside of Philly (or a similarly-minded place), but that was a strongly smark crowd. Cena did not get a mixed reaction: it sounded like the vast majority booed his entrance ("John Cena sucks" in sync with his music); when he got in the ring and pointed to a few people, they may have been the only people cheering for him. Were there portions of the title match where there were "Let's Go, Cena!" chants? I don't remember any. It wasn't even duelling "Let's Go Cena/Cena sucks (or let's go Rollins/Brock).
If Cena couldn't even get a noticeable reaction from his fanbase, how could Reigns be expected to get a reaction when they are less attached to him than to Cena? Or maybe the vocal response from the smart portion of the fanbase has just killed the response from the portion of the crowd that thinks more in line with WWE.
I'm fine with Reigns winning, but he just looked weak: a few highspots, eliminate the Dust Bros, then hang out in the corner while Big Show and Kane eliminate everyone except Ambrose. Then he only eliminates those two because they turn on each other and wander near the ropes. Then he needs Rock to save him from guys with a combined age of 80+. Then Rusev, in theory recovering on the outside, stupidly runs into a Spear and gets tossed. No one benefited from the Rumble.
Bryan is more over and more ready than Reigns, but I don't think his story was as strong as it was in 2014. WWE didn't show him as much in his six month absence as it did Reigns during his 1-2 month absence through those horrible live via satellite promos. When he came back, he was the center guy of Smackdown but an afterthought on Raw, losing to Wyatt. It was stupid that he was eliminated so quickly in an unimportant spot. Hell, Reigns and Bryan as the last two, shaking hands and Reigns winning would have been a better story: he would have been booed, but it was two good guys where Reigns was the better man that night.
While I don't go as far as Deezy, would people who are supporting #CancelWWENetwork have made fun of Cena fans for reacting in this way after Summerslam?
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Post by JN on Jan 26, 2015 16:47:27 GMT -5
While I don't go as far as Deezy, would people who are supporting #CancelWWENetwork have made fun of Cena fans for reacting in this way after Summerslam? I think there's a difference between the two. John Cena has beaten the odds and kicked out at 2 enough times to where I don't think any singular match can harm his multi-colored armor. Sure, it was a beating...but it was unique and different...something that was new that doesn't happen too often. I think even a seasoned John Cena fan might've been morbidly curious in how that match went down. This is a backlash for fans being upset for supporting the company and bleeding money into it, only to continuously be told "our fans don't matter, here's what we want." I get the arguments for and against that...but I don't think it's solely just a Philadelphia thing. The product is ugly at times and I only foresee Roman getting more jeers and boos as the weeks go by.
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Post by Above Average Mike Sanders on Jan 26, 2015 21:08:32 GMT -5
And we can now see it for free on Raw...
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Post by deezy on Jan 27, 2015 17:21:01 GMT -5
Logically smark fans wouldn't cheer for a guy to win a match last year and than turn on the guy for winning it the next year. But i guess it was some sort of "ironic cheer" because Batista had so much heat. Logically....I thought everyone knew who was the winner was supposed to be, don't act cry foul now when people clamour for long term planning only to cry when they stick to their guns. And enough with the "Bryan deserves" bullshit. Even if he wasnt injured, he could've held that title for 9 years and his fanbase would be second guessing every decision into the ground. And when he would eventually lose the title it would be the same exact reaction as it now. As for th network only being aimed at the IWC....no. It's aimed at anyone who wants it. Entitled fans who think they know better are always going to subscribe and unsubscribe. They will always come back. But what do I know, I was cheering with my bros when Reigns won, we were laughing our asses off at the crowd reaction after Bryan got eliminated. I like the prospect of Brock vs Reigns but that must mean I'm a troll right? Bryan deserves to beat the entire roster in one night with both hands tied behind his back. Because he deserves it. Yawn. Fans cheered Reigns last year because they wanted ANYBODY other than Batista. It's not that hard to figure that out. My reference to the IWC / Network, I think you missed my point. I am saying that they "IWC" doesn't exist. The Network is an online-based service, soooo, by its very definition, is going after the "internet wrestling community". You must be a troll because you're ignoring what most people are complaining about. You think people are upset it isn't Bryan. While I made my case for Bryan, I'd also make it for Ambrose, Ziggler, fuck, even Mizdow. Give it to somebody, ANYBODY, that the crowd wants to invest in. Bottom line about Bryan - the WWE essentially put themselves into the position they are in right now. They brought Bryan back, and built up a certain story. Only the most unaware moron would think they could do this and get a different reaction than they received, and are getting. I shake my head at the fact that the company could have avoided ALL of this, if they just saved Bryan's return until next month. They have turned off fans, and left money on the table by putting Bryan in the position they put him in. WWE is out of touch. No way around that. And to argue against that is ridiculous. The fact that Cena, the company's top guy, is booed by the majority of their audience, and it is acknowledged on a consistent basis shows this. The fact that the building was booing at the finish last night, despite the fact The Rock (arguably the most over guy in the business in two decades) made a surprise appearance to try and "make good", shows this. Fans do not want what the company has been force feeding them for the better part of a decade. Lastly, I don't think anybody is saying Reigns doesn't deserve to be a top guy... I think that in time, he could be. Right now however, he is the wrong guy for that spot. What are you complaining about? We want stars, but not the guys you pick? Seems kind of petty IMO
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Post by Mark613 on Jan 27, 2015 20:35:16 GMT -5
Fans cheered Reigns last year because they wanted ANYBODY other than Batista. It's not that hard to figure that out. My reference to the IWC / Network, I think you missed my point. I am saying that they "IWC" doesn't exist. The Network is an online-based service, soooo, by its very definition, is going after the "internet wrestling community". You must be a troll because you're ignoring what most people are complaining about. You think people are upset it isn't Bryan. While I made my case for Bryan, I'd also make it for Ambrose, Ziggler, fuck, even Mizdow. Give it to somebody, ANYBODY, that the crowd wants to invest in. Bottom line about Bryan - the WWE essentially put themselves into the position they are in right now. They brought Bryan back, and built up a certain story. Only the most unaware moron would think they could do this and get a different reaction than they received, and are getting. I shake my head at the fact that the company could have avoided ALL of this, if they just saved Bryan's return until next month. They have turned off fans, and left money on the table by putting Bryan in the position they put him in. WWE is out of touch. No way around that. And to argue against that is ridiculous. The fact that Cena, the company's top guy, is booed by the majority of their audience, and it is acknowledged on a consistent basis shows this. The fact that the building was booing at the finish last night, despite the fact The Rock (arguably the most over guy in the business in two decades) made a surprise appearance to try and "make good", shows this. Fans do not want what the company has been force feeding them for the better part of a decade. Lastly, I don't think anybody is saying Reigns doesn't deserve to be a top guy... I think that in time, he could be. Right now however, he is the wrong guy for that spot. What are you complaining about? We want stars, but not the guys you pick? Seems kind of petty IMO Or, perhaps, people who have gotten over organically with the audience. Bryan, Ziggler, Ambrose, Wyatt, Cesaro, Rollins, etc; Those are people who have naturally won over the audience. They receive great support from the crowds they work in front of, and, they have paid their dues in the eyes of the fans... They don't need endorsements from The Rock in order to deflect an unhappy audience.
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Post by deezy on Jan 27, 2015 23:03:35 GMT -5
Wyatts entrance and promos are over but his matches are not.
Cesaros swing was over, the live crowd sit on their hands when he wrestles.
Ziggler isn't more over than Reigns, get real.
Reigns was the right choice and I hope he wears that title for a year.
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Post by JN on Jan 28, 2015 1:21:59 GMT -5
This mock 1992-WWE Royal Rumble 2015 intro is better than the entire Royal Rumble. Ziggler isn't more over than Reigns, get real LOL!
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Post by deezy on Jan 28, 2015 2:59:52 GMT -5
IWC does not represent te entire fanbase. Can spin it anyway you want, but you can't come up with a valid counterpoint other than LOL.
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Post by spotlightheel on Jan 28, 2015 3:18:12 GMT -5
The biggest question is WHY did WWE bring back Daniel Bryan if they were not going to give him the victory at the Royal Rumble?
IMO, Roman Reigns would have received a much better reaction if Bryan was not even in the Rumble. And even if Bryan was needed back before Wrestlemania and they HAD to bring him back, they could have easily done that in Fast Lane. Randy Orton was not rushed back in. So why Daniel Bryan, who is insanely over and had a bigger story to tell?
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Post by Mark613 on Jan 28, 2015 12:15:13 GMT -5
Wyatts entrance and promos are over but his matches are not. Cesaros swing was over, the live crowd sit on their hands when he wrestles. Ziggler isn't more over than Reigns, get real. You're either trolling or insane. I'm really not sure.
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Post by deezy on Jan 28, 2015 14:32:00 GMT -5
Wyatts entrance and promos are over but his matches are not. Cesaros swing was over, the live crowd sit on their hands when he wrestles. Ziggler isn't more over than Reigns, get real. You're either trolling or insane. I'm really not sure. speaking the truth is trolling now? Where's te counterpoint? Is not Bray Wyatt only an entrance and promos? Do the crowds not go silent when he wrestles? Has Cesaro had any real reactions to his matches other than the giant swing? And Ziggler was not out popping Reigns anytime last year, also Reigns sells more merch than him as well. Belee Dat. Insane is expecting to get your way everytime you cry. Smarks don't run the shows, it's still there book to write. Get over yourselves, and acting like the Network is solely aimed at the IWC because its an online content provider....yeah and Netflix is only aimed at filesharers....hilarious hiw the old man is supposed to be out of touch, when the smark element still try to act like its ECW 96.
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