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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2013 13:59:30 GMT -5
Sonnen dominates a fight for 22-minutes and then gets caught with a triangle when he just had to ride out the clock - how do you not see a comparison? You misunderstood me. It definitely fits the theme off the top of the show as it is a sports collapse but it's not one that many sports fans would even think about or list in their top 1000. That's all I'm saying. As a bit of a sports snob, I just found it amusing how the mind of a non traditional sports fan works when they look at sports or try to find parallels for certain situations in sports.
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Post by carmichael on May 14, 2013 15:37:06 GMT -5
Aries/Hemme
Agree with Wai.
Hemme should seriously be quiet, why doesnt she get heat for messing up the names? A 4 year old could get that right. Aries improvised and try to garner some heel heat off it, part of the show.
Next time a wrestler tears up a fans sign i expect John to be equally outraged
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2013 16:29:33 GMT -5
To be clear, I don't think this issue has anything to do with her announcing mistake. The idea that Hemme should be embarrassed this way for announcing the wrong name is ridiculous. My interpretation was that it was simply Aries making light of an awkward situation by making it even more awkward.
I don't think he did it with any malicious intent, but yes, it was a bad rib, especially when you're working for a company Viacom.
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Post by dextermorgan on May 14, 2013 16:29:48 GMT -5
Nobody, save for a few MMA fans are even going to think about Sonnen/Anderson as far as a sports meltdown go. And the 1993 Leafs against the Kings isnt considered a meltdown as it was considered a screwjob by Kerry Fraser.
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Post by dextermorgan on May 14, 2013 16:32:01 GMT -5
I have a separate question, how are you guys allowed to use CBC coverage for your podcasts? Is it because you dont charge money for the podcasts?
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Post by dextermorgan on May 14, 2013 16:33:48 GMT -5
And thirdly, Vancouver Canuck fans are by far the most retched pile of scum fans on this earth. Leaf fans have nothing on them.
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Post by carmichael on May 14, 2013 16:39:02 GMT -5
To be clear, I don't think this issue has anything to do with her announcing mistake. The idea that Hemme should be embarrassed this way for announcing the wrong name is ridiculous. My interpretation was that it was simply Aries making light of an awkward situation by making it even more awkward. I don't think he did it with any malicious intent, but yes, it was a bad rib, especially when you're working for a company Viacom. Well my Hemme should get more heat for messing up names was a separate point. I certainly don't think a form of punishment for not doing your job should be some sort of assualt or embarrassment. I think Aries thought he was going to get heat by doing this and playing the heel character. IF Hemme was annoyed she should have dealt with it behind closed doors and not gone public and the appropriate actions will have taken place but no, she made it public and that should also be punishable imo.
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Post by Rusty on May 14, 2013 16:48:03 GMT -5
I doubt this debate will go anywhere, so I'll just reiterate my point one last time before letting you think what you want.
Hemme screwed up and doing pro wrasslin' stuff to punish her is fine, hell Holly beating up Capotelli never bothered me from day one. But I'm not going to stop finding it inexcusably fucked up to do weird sexual domination stuff like that without permission.
You don't have a clue what it's like to come up in this society as a woman. We live in a culture where people get mad at a rape victim because it's somehow her fault her rapist got kicked off the football team. So no, I don't and won't think it's cool that Aries decided to intimidate and harass Christy Hemme and shove his crotch in her face without permission, on or off television.
As for her eating pie with her butt and whatever, at least she chose to do that. But whatever, if this turns into a "she was asking for it, did you see how she was dressed bro" discussion I'm just going to go "lol misogynist" and move on.
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Post by carmichael on May 14, 2013 16:53:01 GMT -5
Maybe you didn't see my post above but i do say there that I don't think Hemme deserved to be embarrassed (if she thought she was) because she said something wrong. I just wanted to point out seperately thats shes shit at her job and is lucky to have a career. That is a seperate point.
I think in in the improvised enviroment that pro wrestling is you can easily empathize with what Aries did. If Hemme thought he crossed a line she should have dealt with it professionally, telling her superior internally and the appropriate actions will have been taken if its deemed Aries did something wrong.
She has been unprofessional in this incident by making a mistake with the names and then going public. Aries only potentially went over the line as a heel character who was improvising.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2013 19:06:07 GMT -5
I used to think the Toronto Maple Leafs were the most successful team in North American Sports besides the New York Yankees as i would see there hats being sold in Sports Shops over here in the UK.
Not until mid 2000's i realised that in fact Maple Leafs weren't the most Successful team in Ice Hockey never mind North American Sports.
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Post by nightw0lf on May 15, 2013 2:55:53 GMT -5
I am going to say this and I know it is late and everything. To all the people on here defending Ares for his actions. You need to remember this, actions of the past do not dictate what a person feels. What I mean by this is simple, I seen people pointing out Hemme's Past with the WWE. She was on a talent search, she had to make herself stand out and the fact she was doing a lot of posing in bikini's, playboy, and so on and so forth, doesn't mean she deserves someone's groin in her face. Wei says it is a heel thing. Well if you are a Mark you can think that all you want. We are so used to heelish moves that sometimes we forget there is a line you do not cross. Like Abraham Washington's joke on Kobe Bryant. Not done in good taste. You have to remember this is a lot like performing arts. In fact, it IS a performance art. Sure you expect some things, but like when Marilyn Manson humped a Security Guards head in a concert some time ago, sometimes it can be taken too far. Ares took it to far. He backed a girl in a corner and stood on the ropes where her face was in his groin. He could have done things like move her out of the way, he chose not to. Instead he did that, really it was him embarrassing her. Is that a heel trait? Yes. Does it make him justified? No. Wei got so pissed that Pollock was offended that it offended me. I stopped watching wrestling but listen to podcasts on it. I saw the video, I saw Ares' actions for myself. What I saw looked like a guy forcing himself on a woman. Which if I remember I have heard Wei actually say was disgusting in a different podcast. Not much different, "Her head wasn't touching him." Doesn't make it okay. Wei or people defending Ares, put yourself in her shoes, would you like a guy's dick in your face even if it was a show? If Wei doesn't mind it, let Pollock do that to him and see how he likes it. I know this is late but Wei should look at some of the comments of people on his side, some looked sexist. I think Ares should apologise on air at the least. At the most, be fined a bit. Either way, normally I take Wei's side because Pollock is a little bitch at times. This time, gotta take Pollock's side. Though if I wanted to be an ass I could point out Chinese and Japanese traditions and how it pertains to women, but I am not going to stoop to a low blow or come off as racist. If you want to know look it up.
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Post by Viper87 on May 15, 2013 6:15:43 GMT -5
You don't have a clue what it's like to come up in this society as a woman. Well according to your profile, you are a male, so neither do you. We live in a culture where people get mad at a rape victim because it's somehow her fault her rapist got kicked off the football team. What culture are you living in? It's not like the Arabic Middle Eastern countries where the female rape victim is shamed and stoned to death for bringing dishonor upon their families. So, I'm not sure where you're living, but these days, society is usually very sympathetic to victims of abuse, especially female victims.
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Post by bitetheasp on May 15, 2013 6:29:01 GMT -5
^unfortunately, not when it comes to sports. Fans/members of the team don't give a shit about the victim, only that they are threatening the success of their team.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2013 11:57:34 GMT -5
I know this is late but Wei should look at some of the comments of people on his side, some looked sexist. I think Ares should apologise on air at the least. At the most, be fined a bit. Either way, normally I take Wei's side because Pollock is a little bitch at times. This time, gotta take Pollock's side. Just because I'm on one side of an argument, doesn't mean I automatically agree with everything someone on my side says. My reasons are my own so please don't group me with others. Her announcing mistake and her career's past have absolutely no bearing on this. To insinuate that it does is ridiculous and doesn't deserve further thought. Whether or not I'd be offended if it happened to me is moot as I'm not a woman. To specific, I'm not Christy Hemme. I'm only qualified to give my perspective as a male viewer watching from a far distance: Personally, I saw the gag as less being about sex and more about "gross-out" humour, like a Party Boy Jackass skit. The thought that it was something sexually provocative didn't really strike me as much as the "eww… that's gross" vibe. Perhaps this is because I just don't attribute so much power to something that I just see as a smelly, unsightly body part. Again, this is my perspective as a male. Having said that, I know that's not how many people, Christy Hemme in particular, see it. I respect and sympathize with how violated she felt as a result and agree that just punishment should be dealt. And though I don't think Aries set out to be as malicious as many are making out, I do now agree that he was being shortsighted about how he would make a woman feel; a mistake I'm guilty of as well. You were making some valid points until you wrote this.
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Post by HotTakePolice on May 15, 2013 12:09:12 GMT -5
I doubt this debate will go anywhere, so I'll just reiterate my point one last time before letting you think what you want. Hemme screwed up and doing pro wrasslin' stuff to punish her is fine, hell Holly beating up Capotelli never bothered me from day one. But I'm not going to stop finding it inexcusably fucked up to do weird sexual domination stuff like that without permission. You don't have a clue what it's like to come up in this society as a woman. We live in a culture where people get mad at a rape victim because it's somehow her fault her rapist got kicked off the football team. So no, I don't and won't think it's cool that Aries decided to intimidate and harass Christy Hemme and shove his crotch in her face without permission, on or off television. As for her eating pie with her butt and whatever, at least she chose to do that. But whatever, if this turns into a "she was asking for it, did you see how she was dressed bro" discussion I'm just going to go "lol misogynist" and move on. White Knight attack go! Seriously dude? Stop talking like you have an idea of what being a woman is like. 99% of the people on here don't and it's not the point. We seriously don't need a social commentary on a pro wrestling message board. Also, trying to be a White Knight on a message board for pro wrestling is just about the equivalent of planting seeds on concrete. You get nowhere. Adding to this, I'm on the side where I do think Aries should get a fine, and issue an apology separate from his character on impact. In all honesty outside of this message board, after Thursday's impact this will probably be old news to 80-90% of wrestling fans. But the sensationalist disciplines for Aries I've heard are absolutely ridiculous. He shouldn't be fired, or even suspended. But then again I don't own a company and don't have to deal with sponsors or ad companies so my perspective is kind of moot.
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