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Post by psykohurricane on Oct 5, 2017 4:50:24 GMT -5
I listened to review a raw earlier this week and suddenly, I heard pollock reaction to the susan b koman segment and go on a rant about how they are treating the ultimate warrior legacy.
While I know that warrior wasn't a perfet guy like wwe is making him to be, and I respect that some peoples would fell uncomfortable witth wwe making im look like he was a saint and not acknowleging is past, you have to realise that this was his past that person that said those thing back in the days, wasn't the guy that he had become the last few years before his death. Everybody says stupid thing in are life and warrior sure did says some stupid stuff back in the 90's early 2000. But for alot of us, especially those that continue to follow him in the last few years before his death, he was an inspiration for us and his fans and he wasn't the same guy he was back then
Personally, while I thought it was a cheesy way of doing this ement, I wasn't offended by the fact that they link warrior to this campaign because I remember how inspiring the guy was the during is last few years of his life and I forgave him for all the bad stuff he said in the past. Plus, how many peoples truly remember these comments that warrior said back then, really? For most of us especially wrestlers, we want to remember warrior for what the character was in the ring and not what he was outside. If peoples want to focus on his past and be outrage by the fact that he's link with this, that their right, but that doesn't change the fact that for alot of us, we don't care or don't even know about his past and just want to remember him as the inspiration the character was and while the segment was cheesy, it worked with what the warrior character and even the man in his later years was all about.
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Post by rocketking on Oct 5, 2017 5:31:24 GMT -5
Serious question: What did Warrior do over the last few years of his life that was inspirational?
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Post by Zekey on Oct 5, 2017 5:42:14 GMT -5
Personally, while I thought it was a cheesy way of doing this ement, I wasn't offended by the fact that they link warrior to this campaign because I remember how inspiring the guy was the during is last few years of his life and I forgave him for all the bad stuff he said in the past.1. Has he even apologized? 2. Pollock's and Meltzer's reaction was different to mines. I was fuming about the heels doing charity. |
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Post by deezy on Oct 5, 2017 10:00:51 GMT -5
Pretty odd how Pollock and Meltzer and his ilk were defending Warrior when he was on the outs with WWE.
No mentioning of his homophobic rants and his Bobby Heenan rant until he got embraced by WWE.
Could be coincidence....but I doubt it.
More selective outrage.
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Post by thebenjamin on Oct 5, 2017 10:41:56 GMT -5
The fast forward button is right there for self-congratulatory segments like that.
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Post by Christian Small on Oct 5, 2017 13:06:08 GMT -5
I can't remember him doing anything incredible in the last few years of his life and if he did then it didn't over shadow the bad moments. I don't think it's a bad thing putting a legendary face on it but I just think they picked the wrong face and I don't even think it's really them and more Dana who wants this. I think this is something she wants to do and she knows she can get more interest using her late husbands name than if it was just her.
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Post by psykohurricane on Oct 5, 2017 16:19:34 GMT -5
I think you had to be a fan of Warrior and follow him on his youtube page to see how much he had change near the end of his life. I think the fact that he got older and became of father of 2 girls change him in someway. He wasn't the guy that did the hateful speeches and it showed by the way he was presenting himself in those videos and especially in his Hall of fame and raw speech he did before he died. The guy was a change man and that version of Warrior, that his wife and kids saw would have been all for them using his character as a way to shed a light on breast cancer.
Everybody makes mistakes in their life and Warrior did a bunch of them but if their something that i've learn is how we as human, we'Re able to forgive them for those mistake of the past and move on from it. Personally if that aspect of the Warrior's past wouldn't have been brought up by Pollock on review a raw, i wouldn't even have remember it because it was so long ago and i'm sure that i'm not the only one that didn't remember that aspect of his past. I'm sure that this is a Dana warrior idea for the campaign because like or not, she does own the always believe catchphrase since Warrior trademark pretty much everything and that was one of his catchphrase he used near the end of his life. But i'm sure that if a performer was really uncomfortable with this, Vince wouldn't forced them to wear the shirt.
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Post by Jamie G on Oct 5, 2017 17:16:04 GMT -5
I can't remember him doing anything incredible in the last few years of his life and if he did then it didn't over shadow the bad moments. I don't think it's a bad thing putting a legendary face on it but I just think they picked the wrong face and I don't even think it's really them and more Dana who wants this. I think this is something she wants to do and she knows she can get more interest using her late husbands name than if it was just her. Pretty much this. Unless he apologised or showed some remorse for the absolustely disgusting things he said then he remains a nasty piece of work and there is no excusing, defending or forgiving his comments. |
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Post by psykohurricane on Oct 5, 2017 17:55:07 GMT -5
I can't remember him doing anything incredible in the last few years of his life and if he did then it didn't over shadow the bad moments. I don't think it's a bad thing putting a legendary face on it but I just think they picked the wrong face and I don't even think it's really them and more Dana who wants this. I think this is something she wants to do and she knows she can get more interest using her late husbands name than if it was just her. Pretty much this. Unless he apologized or showed some remorse for the absolustely disgusting things he said then he remains a nasty piece of work and there is no excusing, defending or forgiving his comments. Why are guys that are superstars are held on another standard compare to normal peoples. If it was you or me that would have say the stuff he say when he was younger and we didn't apologize for it, would we be treated like a piece of trash by are friends and family even if we did some other great stuff after that? Probably not, because at first, sure we would lose some friends but with time it would be water under the bridge so why can't we forgive Warrior for something that happens almost 20 years ago. Really it makes no sense especially since pretty much everybody from fans to wrestlers to even reporters we're praising him when he went into the hall of fame. Everybody didn't put those incidents behind them and they all said how he deserved to be inducted and how he was a change man and he actually did apologize for the stuff he did when he was younger. We all do and said thing that we're not prove off when we are younger, it how we handle them that make a different. I think the way that some peoples are judging Warrior now base on how WWE is using his likeness and what he said in the past his stupid. Personally. The weirdest thing is, if we go by the logic of people like meltzer and pollock, i think that WWE shouldn't have the warrior award anymore during the hall of fame because let's face it, this award is just as bad as using him for the susan g komen stuff, yet i don't see them complaining about the award every year or bringing the stuff he said almost 20 years ago up and yet not one fan is bringing those point up as well during mania season. Sure Warrior wasn't a angel, nobody is, but i believe that after a while, we need to forgive and forget because while i'm not defending what he said back then, that'S not the warrior that showed up at the hall of fame, That warrior died way before warrior died in real life and i think that judging him after he'S dead make no sense, but then who knows, maybe i'm not the only one that thinks like that. |
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Post by geethanksmister on Oct 5, 2017 17:56:45 GMT -5
I don’t make it a habit to piss on the graves of people that were right. Can any one you find anything he said that was, while disagreeable to the bed wetters, incorrect?
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Post by deezy on Oct 5, 2017 18:35:01 GMT -5
Everyone having a problem with this were the first ones to give eulogies and do podcasts and pages of condolences to Ultimate Warrior when he died.
This shit is more transparent than a jellyfish ghost.
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Post by Jamie G on Oct 6, 2017 1:57:46 GMT -5
Everyone having a problem with this were the first ones to give eulogies and do podcasts and pages of condolences to Ultimate Warrior when he died. Thats not true. God this place has really gone to shit lately. |
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Post by Christian Small on Oct 6, 2017 11:48:00 GMT -5
Pretty much this. Unless he apologized or showed some remorse for the absolustely disgusting things he said then he remains a nasty piece of work and there is no excusing, defending or forgiving his comments. Why are guys that are superstars are held on another standard compare to normal peoples. Well primarily it's because they have a bigger platform for their words to be heard. If you say something shitty in a group of friends or family you get backlash but just within that group. Warrior shared these comments in very public platforms so it was made to be shared and spread out to a bigger audience. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 18:40:49 GMT -5
People change over time, sure, but nothing Warrior said or did in the final years of his life seemed to indicate he had 'evolved' from the unhinged manchild he was for most of his adult life. Dude preferred to live in a state of perpetual victimhood rather than ever owning up to the disgusting shit he said.
Not sure how his YouTube page or having daughters is any indication that he was a changed man and no longer held such hateful, ignorant, bigoted views. There is literally zero correlation between those things and is as big a non-sequitur as there is.
Just do a little digging and look at the shit he was blogging about up until just a few years ago. I'd buy the 'he changed' narrative had he done anything to distance himself from his past comments or disavow his past views, but there's nothing of the sort.
In regards to holding him up to another standard, well, what do you expect? WWE and Susan G. Komen are the ones who put him on a pedestal. Everyone else is just reacting to it.
The dude laughed and mocked Bobby Heenan when he was diagnosed with cancer, never apologized for his deplorable comments and now he's the focal point of a cancer awareness campaign run by a billion dollar, publicly traded company and a B- rated charity. Do you not see why this is cringeworthy?
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Post by deezy on Oct 6, 2017 19:10:04 GMT -5
Everyone having a problem with this were the first ones to give eulogies and do podcasts and pages of condolences to Ultimate Warrior when he died. Thats not true. God this place has really gone to shit lately. Always been shit. Also remember the Review A Wai episode that did his DVD? |
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