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Post by rinaldo on Sept 9, 2017 22:52:20 GMT -5
He was an asshole. A talented asshole but still an asshole. And that's why they'll never put him in the HOF. Or at least wait for him to die.
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Post by groovyphoenix on Sept 11, 2017 8:23:26 GMT -5
So we like strong style....where guys hurt themselves. But we hate when people are stiff and hurt others.....except all those guys who broke others necks, eye sockets, legs and gave others concussions....those are accidents or whatever it's wrestling it's not ballet. I'm confused to the outrage of people sometimes....it's inconsistent. The difference between working stiff/strong and taking an arm and trying tio break it shoot style is this. Strong Style/Stiff work is something the guys know ahead of time and agree upon. Taking an arm and arm barring is legit and almost breaking it > Not cool as the person didn't ask to have their arm broken. If you can't see the difference there I'm sorry Deezy, but open your eyes and realize the difference is consent.
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Post by deezy on Sept 11, 2017 12:50:58 GMT -5
This is like when people freaked out over Lesnar elbowing Orton and trying to say Rollins wasn't as bad when he hurt Balor.
Never once have I said this incident wasn't bad. ..I'm all about the fake overreaction that can out of it.
I want wrestling fans to be consistent in their views and quit picking and choosing because it only dilutes their talking points.
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Post by rinaldo on Sept 11, 2017 16:38:28 GMT -5
Wrestling fans will never be consistent.
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Post by Milky on Sept 11, 2017 16:47:23 GMT -5
So we like strong style....where guys hurt themselves. But we hate when people are stiff and hurt others.....except all those guys who broke others necks, eye sockets, legs and gave others concussions....those are accidents or whatever it's wrestling it's not ballet. I'm confused to the outrage of people sometimes....it's inconsistent. Don't think it's inconsistent. Wrestling is scripted, and when it goes beyond scripted it's not wrestling anymore. Strong-style is borderline not wrestling in the same sense that scaffold matches are borderline not wrestling, but at its core both are still scripted. When you do what Sexy Star did it's not wrestling anymore. It's Brawl-For-It-All or MMA or something, except that the opponent still thinks it's wrestling until it's too late.
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Post by deezy on Sept 11, 2017 16:54:06 GMT -5
Minoru Suzuki is lionized and reflected on fondly by NJPW fan boys. ..and yet his stories of him stretching and shooting on youngboys is looked at as funny stories.
Inconsistent....but like someone already stated. "Wrestling fans will never be consistent".
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Post by rinaldo on Sept 11, 2017 19:50:44 GMT -5
What I meant is that westling is the antithesis of consistency. Randy Orton decimates the McMahons and then... a few years later he and HHH are back together. Hell... back in '97 all you needed for the fans to cheer/boo you was change T-shirts.
Come to think about it, the only consistent thing in the past 40 years has been WM 3's worked attendance record. That tells you something about wrestling fans as a whole.
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Post by groovyphoenix on Sept 13, 2017 14:27:15 GMT -5
This is like when people freaked out over Lesnar elbowing Orton and trying to say Rollins wasn't as bad when he hurt Balor. Never once have I said this incident wasn't bad. ..I'm all about the fake overreaction that can out of it. I want wrestling fans to be consistent in their views and quit picking and choosing because it only dilutes their talking points. Actually I thought that and said publicly here that Rollins was dangerous as he had hurt multiple people. Again though the difference is, Rollins had avoidable accidents, Sexy Star wrenched in an arm bar, I'm consistent, and I'm also suprised you think these are even remotely close to the same thing... Accidents happen, don't get me wrong if she had say locked in the arm bar and wrenched and slipped or whatever and it hurt her, thats an accident and she'd have shown remorse, no instead she tried to defend her actions by saying "Well soemone screwed me and I was upset" upset at who? Bad professionalism for sure! And to think I actually DID like SS before this. Now I don't see her in the same boat.
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Post by deezy on Sept 13, 2017 14:36:12 GMT -5
So someone being clumsy is somehow different than someone hurting people on purpose.....end of the day...someone got hurt and in most cases of carelessness or being flat out clumsy leads to worse injuries.
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Post by Milky on Sept 13, 2017 16:09:44 GMT -5
So someone being clumsy is somehow different than someone hurting people on purpose.....end of the day...someone got hurt and in most cases of carelessness or being flat out clumsy leads to worse injuries. With that logic you might as well cheat on your Wellness Policy tests, because the results are the same whether you pass legit or just bribe someone.
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Post by deezy on Sept 14, 2017 11:50:37 GMT -5
So someone being clumsy is somehow different than someone hurting people on purpose.....end of the day...someone got hurt and in most cases of carelessness or being flat out clumsy leads to worse injuries. With that logic you might as well cheat on your Wellness Policy tests, because the results are the same whether you pass legit or just bribe someone. Terrible comparison.
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Post by groovyphoenix on Sept 14, 2017 12:13:26 GMT -5
So someone being clumsy is somehow different than someone hurting people on purpose.....end of the day...someone got hurt and in most cases of carelessness or being flat out clumsy leads to worse injuries. Never become a lawyer Deezy, the difference is INTENT to injure, an accident happens, yes is it much different then injuring someone on purpose, there is not even an iota of comparisson between them. I bump into you by accident I say "hey man sorry bout that." yes you may have gotten hurt but I certain had no INTENTION to do harm. So yes dude BIG difference.
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Post by deezy on Sept 14, 2017 12:53:33 GMT -5
SOOOOOO....negligence isn't a thing because. ...intent means more.
She had an excuse....wrong person it was done too obviously.
George Zimmerman had that same excuse.
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Post by groovyphoenix on Sept 15, 2017 13:16:29 GMT -5
SOOOOOO....negligence isn't a thing because. ...intent means more. She had an excuse....wrong person it was done too obviously. George Zimmerman had that same excuse. No she had a reason, not an excuse, an excuse is something that is well forgiven, I'm sorry I bumped into you, is very different then "I'm sorry I decided to get revenge on you because I got shafted by someone else" Come on Deezy now you're just trolling, tell me you don't lack that much common sense!
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Post by Milky on Sept 15, 2017 16:03:40 GMT -5
With that logic you might as well cheat on your Wellness Policy tests, because the results are the same whether you pass legit or just bribe someone. Terrible comparison. Not at all. Sorry Deezy, some opinions are interesting and valid, but in this case you're just simply wrong. If you only care about results and not the intent then it's the wrong mentality to have, no matter what the situation. There is a reason that the sentencing of a toddler who accidentally shoots someone with a loaded gun is different from a drive-by shooting. One is murder and the other is not, and that's down to the intent. It is the exact same thing in the wrestling ring. If you hurt someone on purpose it's not wrestling. If you hurt someone by accident it's unfortunate but still within the rules of what pro wrestling is all about. *Mic drop*
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