pj
Curtain Jerker
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Post by pj on May 31, 2017 4:46:22 GMT -5
Sometimes, you think you cannot define the character of a wrestler. What is the character of Bobby Lashley or Kalisto (for example) ? I do believe that people are defined by their actions. If they have no charisma or personalities, they can still be defined by their history or stories in wwe (even if they haven't done much).
I have this problem with Randy Orton. He's not bad but I just don't understand his character, he's just overall very flat. However, if I think : Randy Orton is the guy who did all of this across 15 years, then he becomes a more rounded character.
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Post by Christian Small on May 31, 2017 7:50:12 GMT -5
Wrestling characters can be some of the smallest qualities just amplified. Look at Edge, his character was that he took opportunities when they showed up. That's nothing really they just turned it up a bunch. Steve Austin was essentially just the regular Joe who loved drinking beer & fighting but again it was turned up.
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Jamie G
Mid-Carder
I was at Summerslam '92
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Post by Jamie G on May 31, 2017 13:04:52 GMT -5
So many people have no character as such. That's why it's so hard to get behind a lot of talent. Apollo Crews is the epitome of this for me.
Great talent but so what?
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Post by groovyphoenix on May 31, 2017 13:23:19 GMT -5
Kalisto is the underdog small guy, made to replace Rey but failing because he isn't a BAD talker but he's not a strong one yet.
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Post by siredger on Jun 1, 2017 1:16:05 GMT -5
Lucha things.
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Post by rinaldo on Jun 1, 2017 12:12:36 GMT -5
Kalisto is the underdog small guy, made to replace Rey but failing because he isn't a BAD talker but he's not a strong one yet. Rey never was a strong talker. WWE just got behind him. Thta's the secret.
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pj
Curtain Jerker
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Post by pj on Jun 1, 2017 17:11:17 GMT -5
Kalisto has zero charisma, he's not a talker so he can only be defined by what he has done.
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Post by rinaldo on Jun 2, 2017 9:41:19 GMT -5
WWE can still bring back Kevin Nash to take his mask off and make him a Latin gangsta rapper with red horns.
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Post by Christian Small on Jun 2, 2017 10:35:33 GMT -5
Let's not risk Nash getting injured by walking into a ring, just get Braun to do it.
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deezy
Misawa
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Post by deezy on Jun 3, 2017 0:23:18 GMT -5
Just keep name dropping Eddie Guerrero.
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Post by Milky on Jun 8, 2017 15:27:09 GMT -5
Bobby Lashley is a supreme athlete who thinks he's the best and arguably is. I see his character as similar to Brock Lesnar's, although Brock has more heel tendencies and is more of a bully.
In regards to Randy Orton, I think you hit the nail on the head when you said he's "flat." The problem with Orton is just that his character isn't convincing. I'm not sure if it's because Randy is a bad actor or if he just isn't that committed to the character, but whatever the issue is he's not connecting with audiences on the level he should be.
And you are also right that he doesn't really have a character. If I try to define him I'd say he's a) Bob Orton's son, b) a Viper and c) he RKO's people out of nowhere. But none of that really says anything meaningful. It's only the start of something, but not a full personality. There is a disconnect between these aspects of his character and why his character is the way he is.
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deezy
Misawa
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Post by deezy on Jun 8, 2017 18:25:46 GMT -5
Ortons just an all around asshole who people like.....not much else to describe him....he's that asshole but he's our asshole kind of guy.
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Post by rocketking on Jun 9, 2017 7:48:17 GMT -5
Just keep name dropping Eddie Guerrero. I didn't see this at the time you posted it... but it deserves a much bigger pop than it got. Well done.
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Post by rocketking on Jun 9, 2017 7:53:21 GMT -5
Randy Orton is what happens to the "blue chipper" character when he's been around too long to still be a "the blue chipper" without any real development. He's Derek Jeter or Sidney Crosby. Now that Orton is no longer the young phenom, he's still treated like one of the best but not in an interesting way. Always in the mix as one of the elite, but sometimes he wins, sometimes he loses, and either way we just take it in stride.
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Post by Christian Small on Jun 9, 2017 10:01:45 GMT -5
I think Orton is a better heel and he actually his personality works so much better as a heel. He's pretty much the exact same but you're meant to boo him. I also think he had a much better character back in 09 when he had that "disorder", he was easily the top heel by miles then.
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