deezy
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Post by deezy on Apr 15, 2017 16:57:52 GMT -5
Concussion happens because wrestlers stopped actually working marks and started working themselves with thinking being snug is being stiff.
Fuck strong style and fuck anyone who think that's actually work rate.
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Post by Milky on Sept 2, 2017 17:49:24 GMT -5
Interesting comments from Daniel Bryan recently regarding his concussion. Apparently "lesions" is a misunderstood medical term, similar to having a "natural birth," which most people would think means a vaginal birth, but actually means a birth without or with limited use of drugs for the mother (including during C-Sections, which most people wouldn't assume can be "natural births.") Similarly, "lesions" is a generic term that could mean almost anything.
Anyways, it's looking increasingly likely that Bryan will wrestle again someday.
Bryan's been cleared by many doctors already and it does make me wonder why the WWE won't let him wrestle. They must be legitimately concerned for this health, but I think they're just afraid of the unknown. Like I've said before they've had wrestlers die on their watch before and they don't want that to happen again, which is actually admirable. But in this case I think their caution is misplaced and they are most certainly leaving money on the table.
I was glad to hear Daniel Bryan, in that same interview, say that he would wrestle a different style if he came back and would definitely quit wrestling altogether if he actually felt his health was at risk.
It all goes back to the original question of who are we to say how someone else feels? If Bryan's passion is to wrestle, and he feels fine, and doctors clear him to wrestle, then is it really that bad if he wrestles again??
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Post by deezy on Sept 2, 2017 18:06:59 GMT -5
He also said the company doesn't give him the benefit of the doubt because he lied to them about injuries.
They'll continue to stick with their own doctors diagnosis over outside ones.
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Post by Milky on Sept 2, 2017 18:24:38 GMT -5
I don't think their doctors have found any evidence that he can't wrestle though, they only found uncertainties, which 'could' be something but could just as equally be nothing.
The point about Bryan lying to them is valid because maybe he's still suffering from post-concussion symptoms and just not telling anyone, although I find that unlikely. But he could also be lying about changing his wrestling style if he wrestled again too, which would be highly disconcerting for any promoter.
Personally I like to think that Bryan is telling the truth now. When he lied it was still during a time when concussions were less understood and less accepted. Now the seriousness is much better understood, especially by Bryan himself.
I think the WWE are being overly cautious, which is their right, but I also don't think Bryan is at a high risk of head injury anymore.
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Post by deezy on Sept 2, 2017 19:47:00 GMT -5
It's weird how wrestling fans would rather watch their injury prone favorites like a Daniel Bryan or Kurt Angle wrestle one more match...but tell anyone who are healthy like a Lawler or Undertaker to hang them up when they deem it.
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Post by rinaldo on Sept 3, 2017 8:19:13 GMT -5
I don't think their doctors have found any evidence that he can't wrestle though, they only found uncertainties, which 'could' be something but could just as equally be nothing. The point about Bryan lying to them is valid because maybe he's still suffering from post-concussion symptoms and just not telling anyone, although I find that unlikely. But he could also be lying about changing his wrestling style if he wrestled again too, which would be highly disconcerting for any promoter. Personally I like to think that Bryan is telling the truth now. When he lied it was still during a time when concussions were less understood and less accepted. Now the seriousness is much better understood, especially by Bryan himself. I think the WWE are being overly cautious, which is their right, but I also don't think Bryan is at a high risk of head injury anymore. He'll always be at risk.
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Post by Christian Small on Sept 3, 2017 11:53:12 GMT -5
You can't blame them for not believing him. Think he wrote about it in his book that he was having issues with his arm strength after the infamous Raw match with Orton but he just continued for about a year. By doing things like that you automatically make people question your state of mind and the trust they can have in you. I'll be completely honest, while I loved Bryan's work a ton I haven't actually missed him all that much. Not enough for me to see him come back if there's still chance of long term injuries. I know he loves wrestling but maybe he should change his focus to his new family.
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Post by rinaldo on Sept 3, 2017 12:29:10 GMT -5
I know that when he posts cryptic Tweets about coming back I get pissed off. He's got a job for life. He's got a family. He has money. He's had a GREAT career by purists' standards. Not worth risking your health. Look at Mick Foley. He's the poster boy for what NOT to do when you understand you're getting too far.
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Post by deezy on Sept 3, 2017 14:28:01 GMT -5
That lucha bitch has no place in wrestling. ...but a guy who lies about his injuries and a danger to himself....ONE MORE MATCH...ONE MORE MATCH...ONE MORE MATCH!!! 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
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Post by sluggo on Sept 7, 2017 10:34:33 GMT -5
They are doing the right thing for their business and what they believe is the right think for their employee
However if Bryan wants his release to go wrestler somewhere else, they shouldn't for him to run out his contract.
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Post by deezy on Sept 7, 2017 14:11:05 GMT -5
Why shouldn't they wait his contract out? He has a fan base and a reality show. ...they need to get something out of their investment.
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Post by sluggo on Sept 8, 2017 8:42:22 GMT -5
Why shouldn't they wait his contract out? He has a fan base and a reality show. ...they need to get something out of their investment. If he disagrees with their decision about not allowing him wrestle and wants to go somewhere else to wrestle they should release him and allow him to go do it. Not letting him wrestle in their ring is fine and their decision, blocking him from wrestling anywhere is a "dick move". Let him go and make his own decisions.
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Post by Christian Small on Sept 8, 2017 11:53:11 GMT -5
This is a far cry from the Rey Mysterio situation. They ran out his contract, they even extended it for a bit, but they didn't use him at all and he didn't want to work for them. Yes WWE aren't letting him wrestle but Bryan agreed to do the TV show and be the GM. If he really hated the situation he would flat out refuse to do anything in hopes of getting released.
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Post by deezy on Sept 8, 2017 12:46:24 GMT -5
Why shouldn't they wait his contract out? He has a fan base and a reality show. ...they need to get something out of their investment. If he disagrees with their decision about not allowing him wrestle and wants to go somewhere else to wrestle they should release him and allow him to go do it. Not letting him wrestle in their ring is fine and their decision, blocking him from wrestling anywhere is a "dick move". Let him go and make his own decisions. "Dick move" is also called "shrewd business"....letting him go without collecting on their initial investment on him as a character is just stupid....nice people don't make money in rasslin
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Post by Milky on Sept 11, 2017 17:03:49 GMT -5
It's weird how wrestling fans would rather watch their injury prone favorites like a Daniel Bryan or Kurt Angle wrestle one more match...but tell anyone who are healthy like a Lawler or Undertaker to hang them up when they deem it. That's your point-of-view, and that's fine. But I've had concussions before and I also have a child, so I feel like I understand where Daniel Bryan is coming from pretty well. I don't believe your head just progressively gets worse even when you're not doing anything to it. After a few years your head will feel fine again, and medical tests seem to prove that it's not just a feeling, that actually your head is indeed not getting any worse. Believe me, once you have kids you know that their lives take precedence over anything else, so even though Bryan's life was all about wrestling before I don't believe he would put himself at unnecessary risk any longer. He truly must feel fine, which is understandable after several years of inaction on his part. Rinaldo, there is always a risk when you wrestle but wrestling is scripted and therefore the risks are minimal and this is what Daniel Bryan is taking into account. Deezy, do you seriously think The Undertaker is perfectly healthy? The true difference between The Undertaker and Daniel Bryan is that it's Taker's whole body we're talking about, not just his head. He could wrestle a match where he does nothing physical, but if you're an athlete and you're at the point in your career where you can't do anything physical, then I think it's time to hang 'em up.
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