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Nov 2, 2016 15:57:37 GMT -5
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Post by kalgoroth on Nov 2, 2016 15:57:37 GMT -5
So WWE have just announced this new weekly cruiserweight show.
Seems to me they really don't know what to do with this division and are spreading it thin across Raw, NXT and now this, assuming that is the plan.
In my opinion they would have been better simply keeping the CWC branding and making it a weekly NXT-style show and kept them off the main roster. Have a CWC championship. Perhaps try to have a developmental brand feud between them and NXT. They could do joint tours together etc.
Could easily have kept the CWC branding, doesn't have to stand for anything, as NXT has proven.
Missed opportunity.
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Post by deezy on Nov 2, 2016 19:54:34 GMT -5
Cruiserweights proved their failure to masses, time to put it on the network so the wrestling bubble can pretend it's awesome again.
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Post by RKing85 on Nov 2, 2016 23:35:02 GMT -5
If it's like the Cruiserweight Classic was, I'll watch it every week.
If it's like the Cruiserweight Division on Monday Night RAW, I won't be watching very long.
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Nov 3, 2016 8:28:31 GMT -5
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Post by mynameisjosh on Nov 3, 2016 8:28:31 GMT -5
There was never a need for a cruiserweight division since mostly everyone in the WWE wrestles that style. All it was going to do was put guys like Cedric Alexander and Rich Swann in a box. Plus, WWE not giving a shit about cruiserweights post-CWC didn't help anything or anyone. It just goes with the whole mentality of WWE seeing something working elsewhere, taking that then throwing it to larger audience hoping to get the same results while not putting the same effort behind it.
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Post by deezy on Nov 3, 2016 12:56:20 GMT -5
Trying to figure out what exactly the difference between Raw and the CWC presentation was.
Was given the same promo packs, the ring design, the freedom to do all the flips and powerspots.
And they also had what...a month? They were still establishing heel/face dynamics.....unlike the CWC that had none of that and if you didn't make the 3rd round, you didn't know anything about a performer.
It's like comparing it to the old divas division and seeing something that just isn't there....this to me is like the #givedivasachance fury that we all now grew to regret.
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Post by Christian Small on Nov 3, 2016 13:57:08 GMT -5
I think the thing that hurts it the most is that the 2 focal points of the division are very poorly booked. TJP has no character outside of "video games" and Kendrick is "old guy who's nearly done". Outside of them everyone is just random cruiserweight guy. There's no real character developmental, it was mentioned on Review-a-Raw that the announcers just need to add a bit to them. Give us a reason why we should care about these guys outside of they work great, which wins over the hardcores but characters mean a lot more in the long run.
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Post by rinaldo on Nov 4, 2016 9:06:09 GMT -5
Could you guys give this division a little time before declaring it dead already?
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Post by kalgoroth on Nov 4, 2016 9:46:27 GMT -5
Could you guys give this division a little time before declaring it dead already? It's already had 20 years...
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Post by deezy on Nov 4, 2016 11:41:09 GMT -5
Could you guys give this division a little time before declaring it dead already? It's already had 20 years... Why don't we just lump in the light heavyweight too and say they had since the late 70s to get it over.
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Nov 4, 2016 15:21:03 GMT -5
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Post by kalgoroth on Nov 4, 2016 15:21:03 GMT -5
It's already had 20 years... Why don't we just lump in the light heavyweight too and say they had since the late 70s to get it over. I was not being serious.
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Post by deezy on Nov 4, 2016 16:27:59 GMT -5
Gifs are a sign of being facetious.
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Post by RKing85 on Nov 4, 2016 22:23:38 GMT -5
Vince hasn't given a shit about cruiserweights ever. Why would he change his mind now? What you see on RAW now is what you are going to get.
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Post by deezy on Nov 4, 2016 22:34:24 GMT -5
But what we get on Raw is exactly what we got on the CWC.....only difference is the commentary team and that's it.
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Nov 5, 2016 12:20:42 GMT -5
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Post by kalgoroth on Nov 5, 2016 12:20:42 GMT -5
But what we get on Raw is exactly what we got on the CWC.....only difference is the commentary team and that's it. I'd say a significant difference was also the context. There was not much more thought given toward storyline and character progression in the CWC than now but it wasn't needed given the limitations of the format. The tournament format itself wrote a lot of the drama. Also, in the CWC the audience were the converted who were already at least aware of the reputation of the competitors, if not outright fans. On the main roster outside of that bubble a lot more effort needs to be put in to get the talent over, basically the issue here isn't necessarily they don't know what to do with the cruiserweights but more they still don't know how to translate what works in front of the Full Sail crowd up to the main audience in general as they don't fully understand the difference, save for notable exceptions. I also worry that they are taping 205 Live right after Smackdown. Not only will they come across the above issues but also the fact that the audience will also be burned out from the previous 3 hours (assuming they still do Main Event at the beginning). I hope I am wrong and that it turns out they actually know what they are doing, but to me it smacks (no pun intended) of them throwing the division at the wall to see if anything sticks.
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Post by deezy on Nov 5, 2016 12:42:07 GMT -5
Expecting a full sail atmosphere is like expecting a Manhattan centre crowd for every wrestling show.
When you travel, the areas are always different, if the CWC was put in front of the notoriously flat Corpus Christie crowd it would've been looked at as a massive failure.
Small crowds will always be more vocal than a major crowd.
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