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Post by quadrupleh on Apr 16, 2016 9:13:19 GMT -5
When I hear King or JBL continually ragging on a face, I find myself wondering if there's a point to it. Why do King and JBL hate AJ Styles so much other than that AJ is a face? Moreover, it's not even believable as you know they really are amazed with what AJ does in the ring.
Much in the same way the shows have a better vibe without the Authority, dropping Heel announcers would have a similar effect.
Am I in the minority on this?
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Post by rinaldo on Apr 16, 2016 9:44:26 GMT -5
Jesse Ventura was a heel announcer who actually made sense when ragging about the faces. Anything else is just paint by numbers cliches.
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Post by quadrupleh on Apr 16, 2016 9:49:58 GMT -5
Bobby the Brain made it work but he had great comedic timing. King is nothing but lame one liners and JBL just sounds angry.
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Post by Gee Hall on Apr 16, 2016 11:13:59 GMT -5
It's not as much as heel announcers are played out, rather the quality of those playing the role.
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Post by Christian Small on Apr 16, 2016 11:43:37 GMT -5
Completely agree with Gee Hall. JBL has shown that he can be fantastic in that role back when he first moved on to announcing but now not so much. It could be in part to the insane restrictions they now put on them, when you read about all the words or terms they can't use it's amazing they can talk about anything. What I find interesting is the same company has Corey Graves doing NXT and he plays the heel role well. Personally I grew up with the heel/face duo doing commentary, at the time it was King & JR, and I liked the contrast between them. I think if you do the multi-face teams you then have to become heavy on the in ring action & focus on that while in WWE they prefer the story so don't think that works so well.
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Post by T Anthony Auld on Apr 16, 2016 15:27:18 GMT -5
A announcer (either heel or face) is only as good as the other announcer can plays off with & vice-versa.
Heel Michael Cole & Face Jerry Lawler is a great example when it doesn't work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 15:29:11 GMT -5
WWE has enough heel announcers in the crowd. They don't need to pay one.
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Post by deezy on Apr 16, 2016 20:49:27 GMT -5
JBL and Lawler rag on AJ because he's a nobody in their world and can't fathom why people are into him.
Not that hard to figure out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 6:12:49 GMT -5
I think heel announcers add something. Having someone voice a differing opinion helps, because otherwise with so many flowery compliments to AJ Styles might get stick of two or three guys complimenting every move.
Announcer 1: Here's AJ Styles he's a five start talent. Announcer 2: AJ is a six star talent. Announcer 1: Man AJ Styles is the bestest. Announcer 2: I agree!!!
Now lets try it with a Heel commentator. Announcer 1: Here's AJ Styles he's a five start talent. Announcer 2: He's just a flash in the pan. Announcer 1: How can you say that? He's been the #1 American guy not in the WWE for the past 15 years! Announcer 2: You can be a big fish in a small pond, but this is the WWE and there are whales and sharks here that would eat him alive.
I'm sour on Nakamura for that reason.
Heel authority figures add nothing though. It just makes your top guy turn into #2 or #3 or #4 depending on how many heel authority figures you have. Well any authority figure for that matter.
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Post by Christian Small on Apr 17, 2016 7:18:24 GMT -5
I think heel announcers add something. Having someone voice a differing opinion helps, because otherwise with so many flowery compliments to AJ Styles might get stick of two or three guys complimenting every move. Announcer 1: Here's AJ Styles he's a five start talent. Announcer 2: AJ is a six star talent. Announcer 1: Man AJ Styles is the bestest. Announcer 1: I agree!!! Now lets try it with a Heel commentator. Announcer 1: Here's AJ Styles he's a five start talent. Announcer 2: He's just a flash in the pan. Announcer 1: How can you say that? He's been the #1 American guy not in the WWE for the past 15 years! Announcer 2: You can be a big fish in a small pond, but this is the WWE and there are whales and sharks here that would eat him alive. I'm sour on Nakamura for that reason. Heel authority figures add nothing though. It just makes your top guy turn into #2 or #3 or #4 depending on how many heel authority figures you have. Well any authority figure for that matter. Your problem there is that you have Announcer 1 agreeing with himself on air!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 8:48:07 GMT -5
lol you're right. good catch
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Post by thesilentr on Apr 17, 2016 10:18:32 GMT -5
I think you are on the right track saying you don't know why JBL is sour on AJ.
Old heel JBL would have let you know. The distaste would be for an invalid reason but there would be a reason and it would be an obvious one.
I think heel announcers have a role in getting talent over as baby faces and heels. I just think it doesn't happen as much anymore. Thank God that at least the in ring is at an amazing level now.
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Post by quadrupleh on Apr 17, 2016 18:32:31 GMT -5
I think you are on the right track saying you don't know why JBL is sour on AJ. Old heel JBL would have let you know. The distaste would be for an invalid reason but there would be a reason and it would be an obvious one. I think heel announcers have a role in getting talent over as baby faces and heels. I just think it doesn't happen as much anymore. Thank God that at least the in ring is at an amazing level now. I agree about the in ring. That makes you wonder if the heel announcer concept is dated and the WWE would be better served by a more technical announce team. They're already half way there with Mauro.
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Post by Zekey on Apr 18, 2016 16:26:22 GMT -5
Heel announcers tell me who to cheer for. "Oh, King is bigging up Kevin Owens? Go Sami Zayn!"
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Post by quadrupleh on Aug 8, 2016 19:28:25 GMT -5
Cory Graves illustrates my point. We have no idea why he hates the faces other than that he's the designated Heel Announcer.
Moreover, he has no credibility. King and JBL are accomplished veterans. Who is Cory Graves?
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