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Post by rinaldo on Nov 15, 2015 5:22:56 GMT -5
Wrestlers selling a missed dropkick. Does it change something if you hit it or miss it? You still fall on the mat anyway.
So... it's ok that you're watching a simulated sport where people resolve grudges by violently beating each other. But don't dare bleed. Really?
Selling the FOAM turnbuckle.
Wrestler A is cutting a promo. Wrestler B interrupts, hits his finisher on wrestler A and then proceeds to cut a promo himself. Wrestler A lays dead on the mat the entire fucking time, be it 15 minutes or 25.
The undefined power authority figures have. You can fire a guy, stack the odds against him in title matches and have people interfere on your behalf BUT you cannot just take the title off him. Why? Take Survivor Series 1998 for example. So The Rock turns heel in the finals and Vince orders the timekeeper to ring the bell... THEN WHY HAVE THE ROCK WRESTLER THE ENTIRE FUCKING TOURNEY? JUST HAND HIM THE BELT ALREADY!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 15:04:40 GMT -5
I never liked the dropkick either. Its just a weird move. In one way I can understand why it hurts missing a dropkick, because when you push off the person's face with your feet that gives you an angle to not get injured, but yeah its still stupid.
Authority figures stacking the odds in general break it for me. I'd be much happier without them. Some boss that plays by their own rules because fuck the fans. Austin made it work because he always won with little exception.
Dirty refs. Referees used to be state commissioned people and still are in real events. I'm sure they can be bought out, but you'd never see them again, they'd be decommissioned, in jail or get fined enough to stop being a referee.
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Post by Milky on Nov 15, 2015 16:44:51 GMT -5
I can see how a drop-kick might take you out of the match, but for me it's just become a staple of professional wrestling, and I've come to accept it. Just like how when someone is whipped into the ropes they just keep running, as if they no longer have control over their own legs!
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Post by rinaldo on Nov 16, 2015 12:08:22 GMT -5
HHH vs HBK from a Xmas Raw in '97. That pretty much makes fun of the whole running the ropes thing.
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Post by quadrupleh on Nov 18, 2015 5:47:09 GMT -5
This one is a bit subtle.
During the Ambrose/Ziggler match, Dolph applied a "Sleeper" hold on Dean, but did it in the pro wrestling way of putting a hand on the forehead.
In 2015, are we all supposed to pretend that we don't know what a Rear Naked Choke looks like? Apparently, Vince doesn't like MMA, but this unwillingness to accept reality has a negative affect on the product.
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Post by deezy on Nov 18, 2015 14:13:56 GMT -5
This one is a bit subtle. During the Ambrose/Ziggler match, Dolph applied a "Sleeper" hold on Dean, but did it in the pro wrestling way of putting a hand on the forehead. In 2015, are we all supposed to pretend that we don't know what a Rear Naked Choke looks like? Apparently, Vince doesn't like MMA, but this unwillingness to accept reality has a negative affect on the product. Well since a rear naked is a choke its illegal. A sleeper is the tried and true non choke, plus I saw Piper put people to sleep online with a sleeper.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 19:03:09 GMT -5
The ropes thing is interesting. Yes its fake, but in a way I can rationalize it like well I'm already running might as well clothesline the guy. It takes less effort to "just run" rather than fight off the Irish whip which would turn into an armbar or a wrist lock. Both moves that you can mess someone up with, but in pro wrestling, that's how matches get started.
I remember Gorilla Monsoon explaining the sleeper hold on more than one occasion. How it blocks an artery, but then one of the times he added you put the hand on the forehead because there's an artery up there. You squeeze out the blood from the forehead first then prevent the blood from flowing back up with the arm under the chin. Having a wrestler squeeze cuts off the blood without cutting off the oxygen.
No clue how real or logical it would be. I'm no doctor, but as a kid it totally made sense. I do know there's a very important nerve ending in your chin under your tongue that results in knock outs.
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Post by rinaldo on Nov 24, 2015 14:30:46 GMT -5
The usual post PPV Raw where a guy who lost a championship demands a rematch and the Authority goes "You'rre gonna get you rematch... in 3 weeks at (insert monthly PPV). Happpens all the time.
WWE polls where you can choose between A) No holds barred match B) Street fight and C) Hardcore match. It's the same fucking match.
TLC matches and laddder matches and chair matches and table matches being billed and promoted as such. Like there's any difference.
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Post by deezy on Nov 24, 2015 14:40:14 GMT -5
Well considering if a guy goes through a table during a tables match ends in a stoppage. I would say there is a pretty significant difference between that and a TLC match.
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Post by Christian Small on Nov 24, 2015 15:21:20 GMT -5
This is one of my most hated spots in wrestling and I'm surprised I haven't posted it yet, the ref kicking a wrestlers hands off the ropes when the other wrestler is trying to get a sunset flip. Can't stand it, if it was actually real then surely the ref should make the wrestler going for the sunset flip let go. It's the same as a rope break.
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Post by rinaldo on Nov 24, 2015 15:29:32 GMT -5
Well considering if a guy goes through a table during a tables match ends in a stoppage. I would say there is a pretty significant difference between that and a TLC match. What I meant is that you can use TLC anyway in those matches anyway. WM 16 is an example.
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Post by deezy on Nov 24, 2015 15:39:44 GMT -5
This is one of my most hated spots in wrestling and I'm surprised I haven't posted it yet, the ref kicking a wrestlers hands off the ropes when the other wrestler is trying to get a sunset flip. Can't stand it, if it was actually real then surely the ref should make the wrestler going for the sunset flip let go. It's the same as a rope break. Do people still do that spot? I remember Gorilla killed it on commemtary when Flair tried that spot in WWF. Bringing up the fact that the ref showed bias and touched a wrestler and said he should've been fired. I'm trying to remember which match it was, I think it may have been Texas Tornado in a Colliseum Video, but I remember never seeing that spot done in WWF since.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 15:45:38 GMT -5
This is one of my most hated spots in wrestling and I'm surprised I haven't posted it yet, the ref kicking a wrestlers hands off the ropes when the other wrestler is trying to get a sunset flip. Can't stand it, if it was actually real then surely the ref should make the wrestler going for the sunset flip let go. It's the same as a rope break. But I'm sure if a fourth man kicked the wrestler's arms that would result in a DQ. Go figure. Yes you're right it is a rope break. Gorilla was too smart to be a commentator and by smart, I'm sure in his employers eyes he was dumb ruining everything with logic.
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Post by Christian Small on Nov 25, 2015 2:37:02 GMT -5
They still did that spot for some time, I didn't get into wrestling till 97 and saw it a ton in WWE. It's more done on the indies now, which is what I watch more of.
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Post by quadrupleh on Apr 28, 2016 20:32:23 GMT -5
I'm having trouble buying into this Primo and Epico angle knowing that Puerto Rico is about to default on its debt.
The same thing happened when Lana was trumpeting the greatness of Russia at the same time the Ruble was crashing.
Apparently, Vince doesn't read the Wall St. Journal.
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