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Post by yesiamaduck on Apr 30, 2012 17:28:58 GMT -5
I have read a lot of feedback for Extreme Rules and the general consensus is that it was a good show with good matches but across the board the seems to be one glaring criticism in every other review & that's how by having Lesnar lose it's hurt him.
I call bullshit.
I mean think about it for one second, several people have gone over Cena and haven't looked CLOSE to as strong as what Lesnar did last night, dude was an animal and tore Cena from limb to limb and the only reason Cena didn't win was because Lesnar didn't allow it. Lesnar got overly confident which lead to his eventual downfall, giving Cena too many chances to get back into the match by doing repeat offence and laying out officials. I guess what I'm getting at is the fact that Lesnar was totally in control of the outcome of this match, he wasn't out wrestled or out fought and Cena's win was totally believable and made sense from a story telling prospective.
And for those of you saying Lesnar no longer seems like a threat, did you watch the first 18minutes of the match??!?!? Not to mention Lesnar is the first person to make Cena sell post match in a very long time.
I'm curious to hear some feedback on this, what do you think, did it kill Lesnars legitimacy?
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Post by richiecuk on Apr 30, 2012 17:34:54 GMT -5
Tbf now a day removed from the ppv i guess to an extent lesnar pretty much killed him and tbf cena did need a chain and steps to beat him but the burning question for me is can i just ask why the fuck did lesnar not throw a single elbow in his ufc career or at least not very much
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Post by irishhandgrenade on Apr 30, 2012 17:45:21 GMT -5
I think it works well as now Cena can say he won and Lesnar can say he took Cena out so everyone wins
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Post by Jay Hunter on Apr 30, 2012 17:49:56 GMT -5
No need for a few thread tbh. But i'll bite! Making a monster heel only works if he continues to win. When he gets the first big loss = huge loss of interest, because that's the payoff to the whole angle. Building to Lesnar's first loss = many PPVs meaning hundreds of thousands of buys. Blowing in it his first match = nope; much less interest. Cena overcame the odds and now it doesn't matter what Brock does because he's already been bested. The monster heel is fallable, and has been vanquished.
It's like trying to sell me a Taker match at Mania after he loses and the streak is broken. It's just not the same, all this built momentum has escaped, which is incredibly hard to recoup. WWE booked for a one-and-done PPV, not getting many buyrates from many Lesnar PPVs.
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Post by richiecuk on Apr 30, 2012 17:55:43 GMT -5
I do agree jay, i was listening to the torch earlier and a caller said how about lesnar now runs through everyone goes berserk including taking cena out tonight it keeps building and triple h eventually steps in as ceo and says theres one man who can take lesnar out taker at wm... its pretty far fetched but... it could work
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Post by yaknow on Apr 30, 2012 19:53:23 GMT -5
Agreed yesiamduck. Honestly I can't think of a single time internet fans have been more annoying than over the last 24 hours. Great shows like that will sell more tickets and ppv buys long term that a fucking squash match. People just like to pretend Cena has no fans when he has a significant amount of fans and they got to go home happy. If Brock is done from one loss then he fucking sucks, and guess what, he doesn't suck.
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Post by David Dufvenberg on Apr 30, 2012 20:07:42 GMT -5
I say they find out Cena failed a steroids test. That way Brock has back to back losses to guys who juice themselves, Overeem and Cena. Brock can't be beat in a fair fight. It'll work.
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Post by The Pod-Father! on Apr 30, 2012 21:01:23 GMT -5
The moral of the story is rushing angles doesn't work. That's probably one of the worst byproducts of the last 5 years of wrestling. Hot-shotting angles with long-term earning potential is just bad bidness.
My beef is not so much that Cena went over, but that he went over against Brock in Brock's first match. He's barely been back for two months and he loses his first night in on a B-Show? Just bad booking, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2012 21:55:00 GMT -5
This angle was rushed as others have said. Lesnar needed to win to maintain a mystique. He now is just another guy on the roster who has lost to Cena. They should have saved that for the end of his run, not the beginning. If they didn't want Cena to get beat, they should not have had him wrestle Lesnar so soon. Simple booking 101 really. I think slowly old school wrestling and booking is disappearing not only from Pro Wrestling, but from the fans as well since most fans now never new wrestling any other way than Russo style.
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Post by yesiamaduck on Apr 30, 2012 21:59:55 GMT -5
The moral of the story is rushing angles doesn't work. That's probably one of the worst byproducts of the last 5 years of wrestling. Hot-shotting angles with long-term earnig potential is just bad bidness. My beef is not so much that Cena went over, but that he went over against Brock in Brock's first match. He's barely been back for two months and he loses his first night in on a B-Show? Just bad booking, IMO. I have no problem with the idea it was bad/rushed booking, in fact I agree however a lot of people are saying they're having problems buying Lesnar as a legit threat after this... it's those people I'm looking at with an expression of 'You tit' To clarify, weak booking but Lesnar is still very much a threat, a lot of people are making it out as if he was beaten decisively which simply wasn't the case. |
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Post by zach volk on May 1, 2012 9:44:59 GMT -5
Brock clearly was decisively beaten it was a straight up pinfall in the middle of the ring with no interference.
Brock is still a legit top worker but booking him to be pinned clean dropped him from being separated from the roster to being just a top guy on the roster.
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Post by kidcanada on May 1, 2012 19:00:39 GMT -5
And for those of you saying Lesnar no longer seems like a threat, did you watch the first 18minutes of the match??!?!? Not to mention Lesnar is the first person to make Cena sell post match in a very long time. He sold post-match and then was fine on RAW other than wearing a sling. He was the same goofy annoying horrible comedy Super Cena he has always been. Nothing changed. You brought in Lesnar to be this big monster heel and he loses his first match. The mystique of building him up for the payoff to be to see him lose down the road is gone. What the hell do I care about his match with Triple H at (we assume) Summerslam? It's going to be Hunter wanting revenge for Brock injuring him and Brock wanting, what, use of Vince's private plane back? |
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Post by showtimesting on May 1, 2012 23:35:41 GMT -5
I think that Brock losing may hurt him going forward, but who cares. For what it's worth, I think that the reason that he lost was because he left the way he did. When guys leave, they usually job the first time out. I figured Cena would win right from the start. Maybe Vince has just lost his mind and we shouldn't worry about Brock losing and we should just appreciate the good. At least he is back...and not just at the ranch.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2012 8:18:49 GMT -5
Whichever way you want to look at it WWE have (and not for the first time) only cost themselves money by cutting short a huge angle.
Brock is not a huge attraction anymore, he's not a guy that stands out, he's just another guy on the roster that Cena has beaten, so people are not going to be as interested in seeing him anymore, he's pretty much done IMO.
I've already moved on and I'm really looking forward to the Byran/Punk match at OTL.
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Post by krz on May 2, 2012 10:36:33 GMT -5
I'm probably alone with this one, but I was glad Cena won.
Why should have Brock gone over? Hate him all you want, but Cena is (not counting Japan or Mexico) the biggest wrestling star in the last 10 years. It was dumb that this was Brocks first program, but I'm glad they didn't feed Cena to him.
Also, if they would have, who would eventually beat Brock?
CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Sheamus or Randy Orton? Of course not.
The Rock? So you should devalue the current roster only to feed him to a movie star who already has beaten the biggest star at Mania?
The Undertaker at Mania? Even if Brock wins every title, every UFC title, the Superbowl and olympic gold medals, no one will believe Undertaker losing at Mania.
It's also funny how everyone uses the "Wins and losses don't matter" argument when they argue that Cena should lose, but it never works the other way around.
And it's not like Brocks dead or anything. Umaga had plenty of steam left after his first loss against Cena.
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