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Post by RKing85 on Nov 21, 2017 23:28:47 GMT -5
Nakamura and Bayley. I stupidly said for both that there is "no chance the WWE can fuck these two up".
What a fool I was.
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Post by deezy on Nov 22, 2017 2:56:39 GMT -5
Maybe Nakamura fans shouldn't blow their wads on his entrance and support him after the bell rings?
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Post by pj on Nov 22, 2017 6:32:45 GMT -5
One day, Bailey will have the best heel entrance by doing jump kicks on the inflatable buddies.
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Post by thebenjamin on Nov 22, 2017 11:38:31 GMT -5
The main difference is that HHH, Angle and even Shane weren't going 50/50 with mid-carders on their way up. They were pushed back when WWE knew how to push guys and remain over. How many times did HHH beat guys like Foley, RVD, Booker T, etc?
Roode barely beats Ziggler and Nakamura cant beat Jinder. Who wants to cheer guys who lose so much?
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Post by deezy on Nov 22, 2017 12:38:09 GMT -5
HHH career average is the epitome of 50/50 booking.
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Post by Jamie G on Nov 22, 2017 12:40:37 GMT -5
Nakamura a lumberjack on Smackdown. He's officially fucked.
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Post by thebenjamin on Nov 22, 2017 12:59:30 GMT -5
His career became 50/50 well after he was already a made guy. HHH from 98 to 03 went over basically everyone. Roode, Nakamura, Bayley, etc are losing right out of the gate and become damaged almost instantly.
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Post by deezy on Nov 22, 2017 14:34:33 GMT -5
LOL anyone remembering Ziggler caught a quick one on Roode on a throwaway episode.
Triple H was putting everyone over left and right after his initial debut.....but somehow he wasn't affected like that jobber nakamura is 😁😁😁
Maybe Nakamura needs to take a bump in "pig shit"....sure helped Triple H right?
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Post by thebenjamin on Nov 22, 2017 16:57:31 GMT -5
Did HHH come in billed as a big deal? Nakamura did, and then he can barely beat Ziggler and cant beat Mahal.
When they were serious about pushing HHH, they pushed him. Nakamura is less over than he was in NXT and thats because of booking.
They have no clue what they're doing from day to day anymore and thats why people arent over.
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Post by deezy on Nov 22, 2017 17:50:17 GMT -5
Couldn't be that people lose their pushes and not perceived as "over" because it's crickets when the bell rings and their entrance music stops 🤔🤔🤔
Weird how a guy like Reigns who "isn't over" has hot crowds during his matches....but for supposedly white hot NXT call ups...tumbleweeds are rolling through the crowds.
Bray, Roode, Nakamura....every main roster debut match had great entrances...crowds were throwing babies in the air...then the bell rang....then nothing.
Weird hoe that happens.
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Post by deezy on Nov 22, 2017 18:28:53 GMT -5
Lesson of the day....WWE shouldn't hire anyone with hype....if they lose a match or not in the Wrestlemania mainevent first year it's a burial and they dropped the ball....Even though that's exactly how people were reacting to AJ's first 3 months.
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Post by thebenjamin on Nov 22, 2017 18:36:08 GMT -5
More than anything, I think WWE hires guys solely to hurt other promotions.
Why hire Gallows and Anderson? They have done nothing with them in almost two years.
The thing is that NJPW is fine - they've been able to rebuild and reload easily. They actually know how to book. WWE does whatever the 72-year-old man running the company feels like at any given moment with no long-term plans.
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Post by deezy on Nov 22, 2017 18:59:13 GMT -5
Know how to book....Yeah bring in a WWE talent for their most high profile match in years.
Maybe they can do another old man 6 man tag to start their shows again? Chono's saggy boobs and small arms are totally not like using Undertaker once a year.
I guess WWE should have Gallows and Anderson be hypnotized by ass.....that's just brilliant booking
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Post by thebenjamin on Nov 22, 2017 19:50:20 GMT -5
You cant honestly think WWE's booking is better in any way than New Japan's. Which company has made more stars over the past few years?
There is no long-term booking in WWE, hence why no one is over and nothing matters. The only thing really planned is Reigns getting his 47th "coronation" this year at Mania. Nothing else is being built.
Hell, just explain what happened in the main event of Survivor Series. Please.
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deezy
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Post by deezy on Nov 22, 2017 21:17:02 GMT -5
Explain using a 47 year old for Wrestle Kingdom is somehow different than the mainevent of Survivor Series?
Shield, New Day, Braun, Bliss and Sasha say hi.
Name me a new Japan guy not named Okada and Omega that was made the same time period.
Let's also not pretend they took those established guys from indies and made them into the biggest stars of their careers.
Let's not pretend AJ Styles isn't at the highest profile of his entire life.
Explain to me why a stuffed animal funeral wasn't totally retarded.
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