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Post by rinaldo on Aug 29, 2017 7:35:53 GMT -5
I love it when WWE just plays with the fans. Give 'em a little truth but don't dvelve into obscure locker room stuff. Russo should watch this and learn something. Maybe there's still hope for him.
I know this will make Deezy's day but, if anything, this promo shows Cena is THE GUY.
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Post by groovyphoenix on Aug 29, 2017 8:41:04 GMT -5
Cena is the guy, when he wants to be, he can certainly be, the big problem is, Heel Reigns needs to emerge as a MAJOR heel now, fuck this pussy footting around, this promo puts him as teh heel who's attacking WWE and all it's glorious Cenahood... I'm not a huge Cena fan but I will recognize that the guy has given his all and played any role assigned to him. Loved the little heel turn mention from Cena, this interview made me see how "attitude in pg" could be, if everything was like this interview Wrestling would be still over and very popular.
Sadly, too many scripted promo shit is killing the business.
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Post by rinaldo on Aug 29, 2017 9:01:11 GMT -5
John and WAI said it themselves. Roman forgot his line, thus Cena making fun of him.
You get the perception, kayfabe or not, that beating 'Taker has not made Roman a wise man/better wrestler. He's just a bitch who brings back his accomplishments to stand tall. Which is great if you're a full fledged heel but when the company pushes you as the top babyface it sucks.
Funny thing is... Cena, the internet's least favorite guy, took 2 minutes to tell the world why Roman sucks using the same reasons we, the Internet, use every day.
I'm sad 'Taker gave the only thing he had left for a guy who cannot even improvise when forgetting lines.
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Post by Christian Small on Aug 29, 2017 13:12:12 GMT -5
It's always been the case, the best promos come with a tint of truth in them. Or at least that believability that the wrestler saying the promo believes in it. This promo also did it's job and made this match interesting to me, it made it feel like a big time match.
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Post by rocketking on Aug 29, 2017 13:40:48 GMT -5
I thought Cena was very good last night, but doesn't he cut this promo at least twice a year? I didn't think it was anything groundbreaking, and I thought it went a little too far out of kayfabe for my tastes. He basically said he was "booked" to be the US Champ. He also made Reigns look like a joke, but that's not his fault. They put Reigns and Cena in the ring together, whether it's for a match or a promo, and they can't expect Cena to not do his best. And last night, Reigns didn't rise to the occasion.
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Post by deezy on Aug 29, 2017 13:45:36 GMT -5
It's usually the same. kind of promo that Cena has cut against most of THE IWC darlings over the years...from Punk, Bryan,AJ and Miz a few months ago....but the biggest thing now is its against someone the IWC hates for some goofy reason or another.
I'm just happy I'm getting this feud between two of my favorite guys and I love the fact that there seems to be real heat between them.
This will only help both of then and will make Reigns even better after it...I don't care if Reigns stays hated aftrewards. ..he's taking that torch whether anyone likes it or not.
also this further cements Cena as my GOAT.
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Post by Zekey on Aug 30, 2017 2:06:43 GMT -5
Funny, I thought this had Vince Russo's fingerprints all over it. I like the "Heel Turn" line because it can mean the dance move. But Cena spoke outside the world of wrestling with comments on the US title being a "Demotion" and "Fourth wall". It all leads to a fake pro wrestling match so keep it within the fantasy universe we the audience submit to. Reigns talking about how he's the one guy who can't be buried is disgusting. Yes big dog. Papa Vince is protecting you. That's as Vince Russo as it gets.
Biggest takeaway was Reigns froze. And like a good freestyle rapper Cena showed he's capable of a rebuttal. Reigns then delivered "fake bitch" then remembered his line was "fake ass bitch".
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Post by Jamie G on Aug 30, 2017 6:55:35 GMT -5
Much prefer Cena on this than the immature, arrogant college-boy type prick he was last week. Shame he's been that prick character for so long as he's way better than that.
Reigns wasn't on the level of Cena but I'm still really liking him these days.
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Post by groovyphoenix on Aug 30, 2017 8:49:52 GMT -5
Reigns will be "the guy" some day but Cena said it well, right now he is just "a guy", "the guy" won't flub his lines, "the guy" won't need to keep harping on how he beat Undertaker, because we will proclaim it for him!
He forgot his line, so scrap the script and start giving these guys "tag lines" "You need to mention No mercy in your promo and Cena is a part timer" (for eaxmple) give them bullet points don't write the whole damn script! My god this sucks so bad for this because you cannot speak your feeling shwne someone else writes them.
This is not "acting" this is building a feud, building interest, yes, what Cena did was old school, maybe he did ad lib, but then I saw it... Just for a brief flash and I do mean VERY BRIEF, Reigns could talk IF he was allowed to, he got flustered yeah but then he told John toe shut up and there was no way that was scripted he genuinely looked pissed (probably because Cena covered his ass by talking when he flubbed the line) sure he made it evident and more "in your face" but it also saved the promo from being a series of cat calls.
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Post by rinaldo on Aug 30, 2017 12:32:16 GMT -5
Funny, I thought this had Vince Russo's fingerprints all over it. I like the "Heel Turn" line because it can mean the dance move. But Cena spoke outside the world of wrestling with comments on the US title being a "Demotion" and "Fourth wall". It all leads to a fake pro wrestling match so keep it within the fantasy universe we the audience submit to. Reigns talking about how he's the one guy who can't be buried is disgusting. Yes big dog. Papa Vince is protecting you. That's as Vince Russo as it gets. Biggest takeaway was Reigns froze. And like a good freestyle rapper Cena showed he's capable of a rebuttal. Reigns then delivered "fake bitch" then remembered his line was "fake ass bitch". No way you can compare this to Russo's booking. Hell, Russo would have guys cut interviews talking about not wanting to do the job (New Blood Rising) and then, minutes later, have them wrestling. This was way more subtle. Inside enough to stimulate the smarks but not enought to confuse mainstream ones. Just my opinion. But maybe Reigns is the greatest actor ever and he'll bloom in a few months based on this mini-angle.
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Post by Zekey on Aug 30, 2017 16:11:48 GMT -5
Cena started with saying Reigns was protected. You can't explain that. Reigns has feuded with the Authority. Super punched Vince to win his 1st title. All we were missing was for one of them to say: no matter who's booked to win I'm still going over.
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Post by deezy on Aug 30, 2017 16:33:24 GMT -5
Was still deep in WWE kayfabe...It's like the CM Punk title chase in 2011. A few minor screen peaking moments but still all in character. Cena has been barking about being the face that runs place for how many years now? Not exactly going all Dave Meltzer on Reigns here.
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Post by rinaldo on Aug 31, 2017 8:48:56 GMT -5
What bothers me is that they'll probably have 3 big matches in a row and by the time WM comes around the match won't be fresh anymore. I just hope this thing won't end up in the same old "I respect you now" way they usually use for face vs face programs.
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Post by groovyphoenix on Sept 2, 2017 9:08:51 GMT -5
What bothers me is that they'll probably have 3 big matches in a row and by the time WM comes around the match won't be fresh anymore. I just hope this thing won't end up in the same old "I respect you now" way they usually use for face vs face programs. But its not a face vs face Program, its Cena vs Heel Reigns who has his dick chopped off and he can't talk. Seriously fuck this scripted bullshit! Le tthe guys cut their promo, sink or swim like the old days. Instead of promo writting do promo COACHING, Why is Enzo good on the mike? He's allowed to talk I don't see them scripting him, bullet points and go. Can't talk? LEARN or get run over by someone who can. Rock can talk. Mick can talk. Cena Can talk. All part timers now, but give them a mike, what happens? Fans go nuts because it harkens back to the WWE Attitude era (even if it is a lot more PG then Attitude, you don't give those guys scripts, they learned it. Look at Rock, folks HATED "Mavia" Rock but they loved "The Rock" why? because he sat under the Vince tree as a "corp stooge" for a bit, and I am sure he learned a lot from that personally. Meh I want real interviews, not "Bromance scripted reality"
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Post by deezy on Sept 2, 2017 9:30:31 GMT -5
Rock was/is scripted by Gerwirtz in almost every appearance he does in wrestling and late night tv.
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