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Post by rinaldo on Sept 20, 2017 11:45:40 GMT -5
Hogan wasn't above the N bomb....only Vinnie Mac can transcend that. Hogan amounts to shit now. Back in the '80s was another story.
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Post by Milky on Sept 20, 2017 16:36:55 GMT -5
USADA has nothing to do with WWE's wellness policy.... That's the point. USADA is a separate entity who were able to call BS on the WWE Wellness Policy due to Brock Lesnar's doping last year..... twice! You have to admit that when it comes to the integrity of the WWE Wellness Policy, there's a lot left to be desired. I'm sure for some guys it's legit-ish, but it seems like if you're a big draw like Brock Lesnar, Triple H, or John Cena, then the WWE Wellness Policy doesn't apply to you. I also find it incredibly hypocritical that Vince McMahon, a 72-year-old with a history of concussions, does not allow Daniel Bryan to put his head at risk yet himself takes a full-blown headbutt on national tv last week! And just for the record, I'm not saying that Vince McMahon has also somehow subverted the WWE Wellness Policy, but I will post this picture from when he was 70 years old:
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Post by deezy on Sept 20, 2017 18:56:37 GMT -5
The boss is just that much tougher than a fragile vegan hippie....brother.
SCIENCE!!
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Post by sluggo on Oct 16, 2017 13:34:22 GMT -5
It's weird how wrestling fans would rather watch their injury prone favorites like a Daniel Bryan or Kurt Angle wrestle one more match...but tell anyone who are healthy like a Lawler or Undertaker to hang them up when they deem it. That's your point-of-view, and that's fine. But I've had concussions before and I also have a child, so I feel like I understand where Daniel Bryan is coming from pretty well. I don't believe your head just progressively gets worse even when you're not doing anything to it. After a few years your head will feel fine again, and medical tests seem to prove that it's not just a feeling, that actually your head is indeed not getting any worse. Believe me, once you have kids you know that their lives take precedence over anything else, so even though Bryan's life was all about wrestling before I don't believe he would put himself at unnecessary risk any longer. He truly must feel fine, which is understandable after several years of inaction on his part. Rinaldo, there is always a risk when you wrestle but wrestling is scripted and therefore the risks are minimal and this is what Daniel Bryan is taking into account. Deezy, do you seriously think The Undertaker is perfectly healthy? The true difference between The Undertaker and Daniel Bryan is that it's Taker's whole body we're talking about, not just his head. He could wrestle a match where he does nothing physical, but if you're an athlete and you're at the point in your career where you can't do anything physical, then I think it's time to hang 'em up. how are you judging that they haven't made money back on their investment in him yet? How much money is Bryan himself going to generate over the next year? If he disagrees with their decision about not allowing him wrestle and wants to go somewhere else to wrestle they should release him and allow him to go do it. Not letting him wrestle in their ring is fine and their decision, blocking him from wrestling anywhere is a "dick move". Let him go and make his own decisions. "Dick move" is also called "shrewd business"....letting him go without collecting on their initial investment on him as a character is just stupid....nice people don't make money in rasslin So Bryan deserves to lose 1-2 years of his career because he isn't an asshole?
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Post by deezy on Oct 16, 2017 14:28:33 GMT -5
That's your point-of-view, and that's fine. But I've had concussions before and I also have a child, so I feel like I understand where Daniel Bryan is coming from pretty well. I don't believe your head just progressively gets worse even when you're not doing anything to it. After a few years your head will feel fine again, and medical tests seem to prove that it's not just a feeling, that actually your head is indeed not getting any worse. Believe me, once you have kids you know that their lives take precedence over anything else, so even though Bryan's life was all about wrestling before I don't believe he would put himself at unnecessary risk any longer. He truly must feel fine, which is understandable after several years of inaction on his part. Rinaldo, there is always a risk when you wrestle but wrestling is scripted and therefore the risks are minimal and this is what Daniel Bryan is taking into account. Deezy, do you seriously think The Undertaker is perfectly healthy? The true difference between The Undertaker and Daniel Bryan is that it's Taker's whole body we're talking about, not just his head. He could wrestle a match where he does nothing physical, but if you're an athlete and you're at the point in your career where you can't do anything physical, then I think it's time to hang 'em up. how are you judging that they haven't made money back on their investment in him yet? How much money is Bryan himself going to generate over the next year? "Dick move" is also called "shrewd business"....letting him go without collecting on their initial investment on him as a character is just stupid....nice people don't make money in rasslin So Bryan deserves to lose 1-2 years of his career because he isn't an asshole? Return on investment is still monitizing his merchandise and the reality shows...not that hard to figure out. Also...if he was an asshole. ...he'd get an agent that makes noise to get him out of that contract if he wanted it so goddamn bad. Fact remains he fucked himself out of any benefit of the doubt from WWEs medical staff before he lied to them before they signed him and during his run there. Simple as that...he's a liability to them. Maybe if he didn't lie about his injuries, he'd be cleared to go...but he didn't...did he? His own admission. Allow me to channel my inner neckbeard and chant "he fucked up, he fucked up, he fucked up".
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Post by sluggo on Oct 17, 2017 16:30:57 GMT -5
how are you judging that they haven't made money back on their investment in him yet? How much money is Bryan himself going to generate over the next year? So Bryan deserves to lose 1-2 years of his career because he isn't an asshole? Return on investment is still monitizing his merchandise and the reality shows...not that hard to figure out. Also...if he was an asshole. ...he'd get an agent that makes noise to get him out of that contract if he wanted it so goddamn bad. Fact remains he fucked himself out of any benefit of the doubt from WWEs medical staff before he lied to them before they signed him and during his run there. Simple as that...he's a liability to them. Maybe if he didn't lie about his injuries, he'd be cleared to go...but he didn't...did he? His own admission. Allow me to channel my inner neckbeard and chant "he fucked up, he fucked up, he fucked up". He could still be on the reality shows - you think he is going to disapear from total bella's in Sept? And even if he does - how many people are tuning into total bellas for him? You also missed the points of the question. 1) Why/how are you coming to the conclusion the WWE has not yet gotten a return on their investment in Bryan? 2) How much do you think he'll actually generate for the company over the next year? Him not suing WWE (the company that employees his wife, sister in law, and brother in law) doesn't mean he doesn't want to leave. By all accounts he very badly wants to leave. As I said - I have no problem with WWE banning him from competition. If they don't believe he is healthy enough to compete in a match safely, they are morally/ethiclly obligated to keep him out of their ring. However, I don't think they shouldnt hold him to that contract if he wants to leave.
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Post by deezy on Oct 17, 2017 17:58:53 GMT -5
The fuck? he has an established fan base that want to do his stupid Yes chant...and if he isn't contracted...why the fuck would they give him airtime on total divas...also bellas are not tied to him l....it's the face who runs the place that can keep their jobs. The bitch who is retired and raising his kid is somehow gonna lose it all because Bryan Danielson is a mark who can't let wrestling go...hardly. Simple fact is...this company is bending over backwards to give this moron a second life after in ring and him and his stupid fan boys can't grasp that and come up with batshit insane theories as to why. He fucked himself by being a liar...they like him enough to give him all this tv time and offered him other jobs like being a producer or trainer. You have to be a special kind of stupid to act like it's soooo nefarious that these guys think he's a liability to them and himself. evil bastards...look at how miserable he is today.
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Post by deezy on Oct 17, 2017 23:51:35 GMT -5
Also....his contract expires in September...of he signs an extension. .ot says it all.
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Post by sluggo on Oct 19, 2017 12:52:20 GMT -5
The fuck? he has an established fan base that want to do his stupid Yes chant...and if he isn't contracted...why the fuck would they give him airtime on total divas...also bellas are not tied to him l....it's the face who runs the place that can keep their jobs. The bitch who is retired and raising his kid is somehow gonna lose it all because Bryan Danielson is a mark who can't let wrestling go...hardly. Simple fact is...this company is bending over backwards to give this moron a second life after in ring and him and his stupid fan boys can't grasp that and come up with batshit insane theories as to why. He fucked himself by being a liar...they like him enough to give him all this tv time and offered him other jobs like being a producer or trainer. You have to be a special kind of stupid to act like it's soooo nefarious that these guys think he's a liability to them and himself. evil bastards...look at how miserable he is today. he took a picture......compelling evidence. not everyone ont hose shows is contracted to appear in WWE wrestling rings. Ya, WWE isn't/hasn't never been vindictive at all......... If they are bending over backwards, and he wants to go wrestle somewhere else, they hsould let him. I never said anything about nefarious.
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Post by deezy on Oct 19, 2017 16:46:38 GMT -5
Yeah totally giving a guy every possible option besides wrestling is sooooo vindictive.
Because I don't know. ...a very popular performer who could potentially die in the ring wouldn't totally look bad on them and the entire industry.
HoW terrible of them.
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Post by sluggo on Oct 20, 2017 14:02:12 GMT -5
Yeah totally giving a guy every possible option besides wrestling is sooooo vindictive. Because I don't know. ...a very popular performer who could potentially die in the ring wouldn't totally look bad on them and the entire industry. HoW terrible of them. but, reportedly, not the option that he really wants. I don't believe I said they are being vindictive by not letting him out of his contract early.
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Post by deezy on Oct 20, 2017 14:40:37 GMT -5
Yeah totally giving a guy every possible option besides wrestling is sooooo vindictive. Because I don't know. ...a very popular performer who could potentially die in the ring wouldn't totally look bad on them and the entire industry. HoW terrible of them. but, reportedly, not the option that he really wants. I don't believe I said they are being vindictive by not letting him out of his contract early. Implying them keeping him out of the ring and saying wwe hasn't been vindictive before is calling them vindictive in this case. Also...a smoker can keep smoking after a lung cancer diagnosis. ..we can't act like a family or company in this case wants him not to keep smoking cigarettes and will provide him with other options that are adjacent to it.
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Post by sluggo on Oct 23, 2017 14:40:20 GMT -5
but, reportedly, not the option that he really wants. I don't believe I said they are being vindictive by not letting him out of his contract early. Implying them keeping him out of the ring and saying wwe hasn't been vindictive before is calling them vindictive in this case. Also...a smoker can keep smoking after a lung cancer diagnosis. ..we can't act like a family or company in this case wants him not to keep smoking cigarettes and will provide him with other options that are adjacent to it. No its not. They are keeping him out of the ring, with good reason. They have him under contract and are running out, which isn't vindictive I just don't think its right. But the WWE can only keep him from wrestling for another year, unless he resigns. So why not release him (if he wants his release) and let him to go ROH or wherever now instead of in Sept 2018?
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Post by deezy on Oct 23, 2017 15:23:47 GMT -5
Why not let him go? uhhhh. .because he's under contract.
How many times does being a character on 3 of their shows(Smackdown, Total Bellas/Divas) have to be explained to you? It's just dumb to let him go because....reasons.
His reasons are just as selfish and self serving as the companies for keeping him.
Just because you're a mark for him and is willing to let him risk his own life to wrestle one more match. ..doesn't mean your conspiracy theories and "doctors diagnosis" and expert opinion on what CTE or lesions on the brain are more credible than doctors who have a vested interest in protecting their reputation and the company they work for.
They're not going to accept a doctor's note from a guy who has lied about his injuries previously....it's that simple.
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Post by rinaldo on Oct 23, 2017 16:03:17 GMT -5
I'm appalled this conversation is still going on.
Guy has concussion problems. Guy has been advised not to risk further danage. Guy has a hot wife and a baby and is still a mark for wrestling so he's willing to risk it all and perhaps end up like Muhammad fucking Ali despite having a high paying job to show up once a week to cut a promo and get the crowd hot with just a used and abused chant and nothing more than that.
WWE had to deal with Pillman... then Eddie... then fucking Benoit... and then again with countless others including Punk. Are they being too cautious with Bryan? Maybe. Do they care as much as they want us to believe? Maybe. Do they want to risk another tragedy for which they'll get blamed no matter what? Sure as shit not.
I admire Adam Copeland. He's one guy who's had a very solid career and once told he could not wrestle again took his time to deal with it and moved on with his life. Got married, became a father and couldn't give 2 shits about pro wrestling aside from an appearence here and there for which he's getting paid, I guess, some sweet money.
Jericho too.
Mick Foley gave his body to this business so "others couldn't top him" so I guess the fact he's now phisically reduced to crap was worth it, right?
I wonder how he felt when he saw Shane perform the HITC fall 2 in the span of 2 years so he could save a crappy match and get some of you marks to pop for an almost 50 years old guy who, despite growing uyp in the business, still can't throw a proper punch.
I'm jst thankful some idiot hasn't come up with a FREE BRYAN sign or hashtag yet.
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