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Post by Milky on Mar 14, 2017 15:39:36 GMT -5
What do you think?
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Post by rocketking on Mar 14, 2017 16:42:08 GMT -5
Based on the medical stuff that I've heard over the last... two years?.... I think WWE is in the right. I also think they should grant him his release (if requested) to go and wrestle elsewhere, but that's just me talking and not somebody with a financial stake in the situation.
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Post by Jamie G on Mar 14, 2017 17:11:32 GMT -5
Based on the medical stuff that I've heard over the last... two years?.... I think WWE is in the right. I also think they should grant him his release (if requested) to go and wrestle elsewhere, but that's just me talking and not somebody with a financial stake in the situation. Completely agree. It's the right thing for him and the company now. In 2 years time he may be in a better state to maybe do something but not now.
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Post by siredger on Mar 14, 2017 21:58:07 GMT -5
I understand both parties' standpoint. Bryan says that WWE doctors are the only ones who wouldn't clear him. WWE is currently facing a concussion lawsuit and they don't want any more damage. So I can't hardly blame WWE for taking that stance.
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Post by deezy on Mar 17, 2017 5:18:26 GMT -5
I don't see how people can fault a company for being overly cautious with a contracted and popular performer who openly stated he lied to them about injuries before.
Bryan said he went to all kinds of doctors, but he lied to them before. I'd take my doctors over others if I was them too.
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Post by thehotnscaryclassic on Mar 17, 2017 5:46:04 GMT -5
I'm okay with them not letting him wrestle. Given situations that have happened in the past and just the overall way we think about head injuries and such now. That being said, I do wonder, as others have pointed out, what it would be like if WWE gave those same tests to the rest of the roster that they gave to Daniel Bryan.
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Post by Christian Small on Mar 17, 2017 14:48:38 GMT -5
I've actually just randomly re-listened to the Wrestlemania 19 edition of Review-a-Wai and during that John talks about how the majority of athletes when asked if they can go will say "Yes" regardless of how hurt they are feeling. Sometimes that decision should be taken away from them, much like this situation here. The bottom line is Bryan can't past WWE's tests and until he can then he shouldn't be in their ring.
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Post by Milky on Mar 20, 2017 17:48:07 GMT -5
Ok I guess I'll take the other viewpoint then.
MSL recently said that if Bryan has been cleared by outside doctors, and that if his passion is to wrestle and he feels fine, then who are the WWE to deny him? You can argue that he signed a contract to do whatever the WWE want him to do, but the WWE have let plenty of wrestlers go at their own request before and I'm sure they could have him sign a waiver too, if he did wrestle for them again.
Believe me, I totally understand the WWE viewpoint. For them they feel there is no risk of injury if he doesn't wrestle, and a lawsuit waiting to happen if he does. Also, by keeping him under contract it's addition by subtraction (ie. he can't wrestle for any other promotion).
All that being said, we actually don't know squat (relatively speaking) about concussions. Most concussion protocols in pro sports are a joke and most doctors will clear you if you don't seem to be suffering from any post-concussion symptoms. But what do we really know about how the brain works? I have some experience in this field (albeit from a decade ago now) but I can tell you that you're just as likely to get concussed from everyday life as you are from sports, so in reality I would argue Bryan is just as likely to suffer a concussion working around the house and hitting his head, as he is from working in the ring and taking a hard bump.
The other good thing about wrestling is that it's pre-determined. Bret Hart wrestled an entire WrestleMania match against Vince without taking a bump and Bryan could be scripted into a similarly safe-style match. Now whether that's something we'd all want to see or that Bryan himself would even want to do is another question, but the fact of the matter is it could be done.
TLDR: The WWE are well within their rights to prevent Bryan from wrestling for them, but in any case I do believe that him wrestling is as dangerous as him not wrestling, as long as he curbs his old style (which is the real question IMO).
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Post by Christian Small on Mar 21, 2017 11:21:40 GMT -5
It's similar to the Rey Mysterio situation. Rey wasn't working for them, didn't want to work for them and wanted out. WWE didn't want to let him go as he was still a money maker for them without his work in the ring and it stops other companies making money of him. Bryan might not be making WWE money in terms of in ring work but I bet he still makes them money in some ways, he is a key character in those reality shows and probably the main draw to Talking Smack. As for your suggestion of him working a super safe match. Fans wouldn't want to see that, they'd expect a Daniel Bryan style match and more importantly I don't see Bryan wanting to do that. It can be done but I don't think it will be.
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Post by Gee Hall on Mar 21, 2017 12:32:58 GMT -5
If his contract requires him to be cleared by WWE's doctors, then they have the right to prevent him from wrestling in their company. We know his contract prevents him from wrestling for any competition until it ends. So from the company's stand point, they have the right.
However, upon the end of said contract, Bryan has every right to consult other doctors and make the decision for himself to return to the ring.
Hopefully he does take the time to consult a number of doctors before making a decision for the overall benefit of his health. As a fan I would certainly like to see him compete. However, I certainly do not want to see him jeopardize his health for entertainment.
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Post by Christian Small on Mar 21, 2017 13:50:55 GMT -5
Do you think the birth of his 1st child will change how he feels? It might get that wrestling itch out of his system.
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Post by deezy on Mar 21, 2017 16:11:33 GMT -5
People are well within their rights to continue smoking after cancer diagnosis.
Doesn't make them smart, or sympathetic. Bryan wouldn't be sympathetic if he died in the ring to me
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Post by siredger on Mar 22, 2017 1:03:36 GMT -5
Do you think the birth of his 1st child will change how he feels? It might get that wrestling itch out of his system. Might sound like a silly question at first but given how much that first child means to he & Brie Bella, you might be on to something. Especially if after his contract expires and he decides to pursue that opportunity to wrestle again but doctors find something wrong, this might change his perspective. But then again, Brie hinted at a comeback once she'll be able to so I guess that the birth of their daughter might not be enough for Bryan to change his mind. Time will tell.
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Post by Christian Small on Mar 22, 2017 12:45:20 GMT -5
I look at Mickie James & Magnus who had a child together and they're both still wrestling while a couple like Edge & Beth Phoenix (granted different situation) have very little to no interaction with wrestling and them being more than happy being a family. I also look at Elgin & MsChif with one continuing to work and the other stepping back after their child. It does change things and it might change Bryan's views on wrestling, who knows?
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Post by The Overgiver on Mar 23, 2017 8:43:02 GMT -5
Bryan is extremely fortunate. He has a medical condition that has rendered him incapable of wrestling. He loves wrestling more than anything in the world. The top wrestling company in the world has given him an opportunity to perform in front of millions of fans on a weekly basis, and make (I'd assume) a very generous salary.
In his condition, what more can he ask for?
No other athlete that has been forced into early retirement due to injury still has the opportunity to go out and pump up the live crowd every week and be an actual part of the league (or in WWE's case the storyline).
He had a great career as an in-ring performer. It's over. Everyone should stop with the sob story and just enjoy him in his current role.
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