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Post by themagic2525 on Aug 24, 2015 15:02:38 GMT -5
Just comparing the shows this weekend its pretty easy to see why they would have that bias.
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Post by deezy on Aug 24, 2015 15:12:09 GMT -5
I don't to be quite honest.
Can say Joe buried a young talent who was built up. Or someone who isn't on the roster getting over on Tyler Breeze.
Can say Sasha and Bailey did the same types of spots as she did with Nikki and the only thing different was the audience. And can easily point out botches as well.
And I could also point out how the commentary employ the same style and nothing is different other than the ones doing it.
I'm not saying one is better than the other, I'm just pointing out the similarities and make a point as to why one is heralded and the other is nitpicked with a fine tooth comb.
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Post by themagic2525 on Aug 24, 2015 15:28:47 GMT -5
Joe didn't bury him. It was a back and fourth match. Joe is probably going to be in the title picture after this, so it makes sense for him to win. I do agree on the Breeze part. There is no comparison between the two women matches, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. Sasha wasn't even in the Summerslam match that long. I don't really care about commentary that much, but I like Graves better then JBL or King.
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Post by deezy on Aug 24, 2015 15:40:43 GMT -5
I'm using the same logic employed when watching Raw or Smackdown. I actually know what a burial is, and a loss isn't that, I'm just saying the comparisons is uneven and biased.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 17:24:17 GMT -5
I really just see NXT as gimmicks. My son loves it though. Finn's entrance is something super boring to me and it just looks weird a grown man crawling around on the floor to the ring. I said the same thing with the Boogey Man, but at least Boogey Man didn't forget his gimmick when it was convenient. I marked out for Taker's entrance as a kid, so its nothing different.
I still enjoyed NXT Takeover, but all the faces won, it was a feel good show. What also helps is its only 2 hours.
This might be the Sasha appreciation thread, but I'm no fan of Sasha or Baily, but Bayleaf's win felt good. Paige and Niki from a few months ago was the same story really a super face that's had so many matches against a heel champion. As much as I don't care for Baily, she's the perfect underdog to root for. I don't root for Paige. I think of her like everyone thinks of Kelly Kelly or Tori Wilson.
Its not that I don't care for Baily exactly, its just that I think he's a NXT lifer that's just there to make everyone else look good by being a super baby face that gets trampled on by the heels and she does it so well.
Joe should have won, its not the other guy's time. One day he'll climb up, but the other dude just feels too green. I don't remember anything standing out about his moves.
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Post by Zekey on Aug 24, 2015 18:02:57 GMT -5
This might be the Sasha appreciation thread, but I'm no fan of Sasha or Baily, but Bayleaf's win felt good. Paige and Niki from a few months ago was the same story really a super face that's had so many matches against a heel champion. As much as I don't care for Baily, she's the perfect underdog to root for. I don't root for Paige. I think of her like everyone thinks of Kelly Kelly or Tori Wilson. Its not that I don't care for Baily exactly, its just that I think he's a NXT lifer that's just there to make everyone else look good by being a super baby face that gets trampled on by the heels and she does it so well. No NOT the same as Paige and Nicki. Sasha and Bayley get weeks of story. Backstage talking segments. Promo's. god damn contract signings. I dont even remember the build for Paige v Nicki. Oh she stole a fairy costume, right? Plus Sasha has delivered in all 3 of her TakeOver singles matches with the horsewomen. She's good in every aspect of the word. Don't try to compare them with Divas. Its night and day.
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Post by porter on Aug 24, 2015 18:12:30 GMT -5
Gotta love her as a wrestling. Actually makes these normal rest room matches worth watching. The other 3 are great as well. Don't mind the hug at the end cause kayfabe has been over and done with. These ladies were proud of what they have done and glad to pass the torch to their Friend. Good job
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Post by RKing85 on Aug 24, 2015 22:32:43 GMT -5
the women's match tonight on RAW was a train wreck.
I need to go find my post from 5 weeks ago when I said within 3 months all the NXT girls would be brought down to the divas level (on RAW at least)
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Post by Zekey on Aug 24, 2015 22:41:42 GMT -5
That absolutely stunk. Who knew Sasha would be the hero of Raw. (me)
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Post by deezy on Aug 24, 2015 23:09:57 GMT -5
When it was announced that Paige and Becky Lynch were getting a talking segment. I knew it was going to be painful.
Opportunities given, but lets he honest, the main reason NXT women's matches are writer is because they get weeks to practice it all at the performance centre.
Something moone on the main roster has the Luxury to do.
Any of the 4 horsefacs(because Ronda already has Horsewomen) have a match against each other on Raw it's going to be this major clusterfuck as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 23:22:30 GMT -5
That one dude in Sasha's entourage needed to up his protein intake.
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Post by daryl on Aug 24, 2015 23:50:46 GMT -5
Thought Sasha and Bayley match was the best match of the weekend between NXT and Summerslam.
Having said that, anyone else really underwhelmed by the divas revolution? I'm all for taking the women seriously and giving them more time, but after the first couple weeks this revolution has sucked. These are just matches for the sake of matches where wins and losses don't matter and there's no real story.
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Post by Jack Raines on Aug 25, 2015 4:03:25 GMT -5
The main roster women's division will be much better off once the Bellas quit. They're absolute shit and drag down all of the NXT women because they can't keep up with them in the ring. And for some reason Nikki wrestles like she's Lex fucking Luther, when she's barely that much bigger than the other Divas.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 6:41:30 GMT -5
I disagree, the Bellas are the deepest characters in the Diva's division if not 80% of the company. They're sisters, they're twins, they're heels, one can wrestle, they're both tied to the two top stars in the past two years, one of them is a legit cunt, the other is passive and gets boozy, they have a lackey now that will last for however long it lasts. Niki can hold her own, I don't know about Bre though. They have their own fucking show. That helps with character development.
Lex Luther or Lex Luger? Paige is a power wrestler too, I'd describe her moves to be a cross between Scott Hall and Matt Morgan. Niki has submissions, topes and other goods.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 6:48:34 GMT -5
This might be the Sasha appreciation thread, but I'm no fan of Sasha or Baily, but Bayleaf's win felt good. Paige and Niki from a few months ago was the same story really a super face that's had so many matches against a heel champion. As much as I don't care for Baily, she's the perfect underdog to root for. I don't root for Paige. I think of her like everyone thinks of Kelly Kelly or Tori Wilson. Its not that I don't care for Baily exactly, its just that I think he's a NXT lifer that's just there to make everyone else look good by being a super baby face that gets trampled on by the heels and she does it so well. No NOT the same as Paige and Nicki. Sasha and Bayley get weeks of story. Backstage talking segments. Promo's. god damn contract signings. I dont even remember the build for Paige v Nicki. Oh she stole a fairy costume, right? Plus Sasha has delivered in all 3 of her TakeOver singles matches with the horsewomen. She's good in every aspect of the word. Don't try to compare them with Divas. Its night and day. That's hilarious if that whole feud started because of a fairy costume. I didn't know and never saw that in any of the recaps. From the story the commentators portrayed Paige just wanted to rid the world of the Bellas and overthrow the oppressive Niki Bella... but she couldn't and now there are 3 more divas, because the WWE ran out of women to turn so Niki could crush them. Sasha is pretty limited because of her size. She's short, relies on a gimmick, and bizarre position setups that remind me how fake wrestling is. She's not good, her opponents are good and make her look good. Just because she's not the typical cat fighting, slapping, hair pulling womens wrestler doesn't make me realize how good she is. She's Billy Kidman when he was a heel.
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