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Post by antlerbeast on Oct 1, 2014 2:16:03 GMT -5
The strange fade out that's happened with Bray is quite baffling. It's as if creative have simply not the cognitive capacity to deal with what was one of the best characters at the start of 2014. The Jericho feud kind of dropped him far down the interest scale. Was it the face reaction he was getting as a heel? Lack of decent baby faces to feud with?
Personally I'll throw out two suggestions that are just as out there as each other for the Bray and family angle.
1. Lesnar feud. The ultimate face turn. Have Brock come out after survivor series or whenever it might be his next match and have him (Heyman) put down every good guy in the company. How not one of them can handle the physicality of the beast and the brains of Heyman. Sheep mask cut. Things go dark. Crowd goes nuts. This doesn't have to be a long term feud but something that gets Bray over a bit more and gives some breathing room on other talent before WM. Yeah I know hardly any heels left so difficult.
2 - take over NXT. It's inevitable that one day wwe will be heading down and invasion/takeover story which will have elements of the NXT division say they've had enough of Raw talent etc etc. of course they need to align their worlds Marvel style in the company (raw, smack down, divas, NXT) if they really want to make this work but let's say they did. So why not have Bray lead the charge? Former NXT talent. Has a tendency to brain wash people so why not take them that way?
Any way feel free to pick holes but interested in what people's thoughts were on the Bray character going forward?
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Post by wigsf3 on Oct 1, 2014 9:16:56 GMT -5
I like the Lesnar idea.
But I have an idea too. Take them off the wrestling product and put them on an hour long drama series where these three guys terrorize a southern God-fearing town. Now that's network content.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 12:57:23 GMT -5
I've been hoping we'd see Lesnar vs Wyatt or Cesaro or even Rusev rather than the constant rematches, so I def. like the idea of Bray vs Lesnar.
TBH if there was ever another Nexus type takeover of the main roster, I'd prefer if it was done with all current NXT talent.
What made Nexus instantly credible (before WWE took a dump on it) was that there was no "higher power" authority, despite weeks of fan speculation. It was refreshing to see a new guy in Wade lead a formidable outcast stable, even with the pop-rock entrance music.
As far as what is going on right now, I am excited to see what Luke Harper can do. The guy has so much talent and has yet to be fully unleashed. Bray as the voice in his ear for now leaves some options open.
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Post by TolerancEJ on Oct 1, 2014 17:11:47 GMT -5
With the vignettes Monday night, it seems Luke Harper will be more of a singles wrestler but will still be considered as a Wyatt. Luke has all the tools necessary to make it. Rowan has progressed but still needs some work. Therefore, I think they'll assign another NXT talent to the Wyatts to tag up with Erick Rowan. The person would need to have a large stature (perhaps Bull Dempsey or Baron Corbin.)
Konnor is big, but already has a successful gimmick in The Ascension. Kevin Steen would work, but I'd rather see him come into the main roster separately, on his own.
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Post by antlerbeast on Oct 2, 2014 4:02:23 GMT -5
Kevin Steen could be incredible. Yes prefer to have him alone but they really should try and push that guy in a big way. Part of me was hoping at night of champions for him to get involved in the Cena match and cost him big on the lose to Lesnar. More I think about it, Steen as the head guy of a new NXT/Nexus type thing would be awesome.
Yeah Harper should be interesting to push forward but who will they pair him against that will make a difference? Most people are already set up in feuds and anyone left is just a waste. I'm a little concerned that with the LH push that Bray will be sidelined even more than he has been.
Honestly that pitch for a tv show sounds fucking amazing.
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Post by wigsf3 on Oct 2, 2014 6:03:08 GMT -5
Honestly that pitch for a tv show sounds fucking amazing. I recommend a novel called "And the ass saw the angel" by Nick Cave.
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Post by deezy on Oct 2, 2014 13:28:23 GMT -5
Adding new members? Brilliant!
I mean it's always worked for the nWo and Horsemen....Maybe they could call them the New Wyatts because that's always been money. Adding members to a stable always just dilutes the group, the simple fact that the Bray Wyatt character hasn't actually done anything different in any of his big feuds is what the problem is.
What exactly is this characters motivation? Where is his progress arc? I for one don't see any, all he does is the same promo, the feuds are about him trying to to tear down people with followings. How was Jerichos feud different from Cenas? Nothing. Same storyline, almost the same outcomes except Bray beating Jericho and not Cena and let's face it.....There was a reason why Cena didn't put over Bray.....He had some shit to do later on in the year.
There is also the fact that he hasn't produced much in the ring in his one on one matches. He can promo the fuck out of a program, but when the match happens....it's boring. I've actually fallen asleep during his two PPV matches against Jericho and the first two Cena matches and I never fall asleep during Cena matches. Even the crowds were dead for Cena matches, haters couldn't even scream about how much he sucks.
I don't think he should be in matches until it's absolutely necessary, keep him as mouthpiece for Rowan since it looks like Harper is going his separate ways at the moment.
Because his single matches do not produce anything but apathy, I think Miz matches are more enjoyable than Bray Wyatts.
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Post by antlerbeast on Oct 2, 2014 16:03:17 GMT -5
Some fair comments. Agree he hasn't been given the right program. I think he needs to get something that will be huge. Cena's angle would have been huge if he had finally turned him heel but it just petered out. I liked Russo's recent Raw suggestion of putting him against Ziggler by being quite the opposite usual Bray and have him be supportive and fuck with his head more. They def need to expand his character.
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Post by TolerancEJ on Oct 2, 2014 18:06:05 GMT -5
If they're gonna start adding members, they need to work on putting their win/loss record in a more favorable position.
I'd love to see them get The Briscoes and put them straight into the Wyatt Family. No changes needed at all for the look.
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Post by deezy on Oct 2, 2014 22:34:26 GMT -5
Not to be one for nitpicking but I don't think the Briscoes would fit the Wyatts, they are Delaware rednecks whilst the Wyatts seem to be backwoods Floridian rednecks.
That and I don't think the WWE would want someone with a past for tweeting so-called "homophobic remarks" getting them heat with GLAAD, since they have that gem of a babyface turn of Darren Young to always wave around like they do with patriotism and "troop support" or those cancer groups.
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Post by antlerbeast on Oct 3, 2014 1:11:19 GMT -5
Long term thinking (which I know wwe just forgets about by the minute) would also help. If they just had the confidence to have a character development and story over several months like they used to, Bray's feuds would be meaningful. The Cena one started off interesting and then built up momentum and then fizzled out hugely. Then a few months later give Paul Heyman the exact same story with trying to turn Cena 'to the dark side'. I just wish they'd think wrestling fans had a memory longer than half an hour before.
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Post by chrisarrant on Oct 3, 2014 11:06:22 GMT -5
I have a feeling WWE things Bray Wyatt is over-exposed right now and it's a disservice to the long-term viability of the character. Plus, his in-ring work, while adequate, isn't at that next level he has the potential for yet. They could be pulling back on Wyatt to somewhat rehabilitate him, but also using it as a chance to put the shine on Luke Harper who could evolve into being a great singles star.
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Post by Milky on Oct 3, 2014 15:06:10 GMT -5
For me his character just never evolved. I think the character itself is good, but at this point he just needs to go away for a while so we can forget about him. Then you bring him back for a really hot feud and actually give him some character development through the ensuing storyline.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 14:14:19 GMT -5
Anyone else kinda miss "The Army Tank with a Ferrari Engine"?
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Post by cleanfinish1 on Oct 6, 2014 17:10:20 GMT -5
Have him feud with Dolph
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