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Post by Doug Lyons on Jul 11, 2014 4:14:54 GMT -5
Like the topic suggests. Who's the better creation?
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Post by foolio on Jul 11, 2014 4:29:19 GMT -5
Undertaker
Hulk Hogan wasn't a WWE creation. He was doing his Hulkamania schtick in AWA before he had the big run in WWF.
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Post by Milky on Jul 11, 2014 12:53:57 GMT -5
Undertaker Hulk Hogan wasn't a WWE creation. He was doing his Hulkamania schtick in AWA before he had the big run in WWF. I don't really agree with this. Sure he was in various territories before the WWE, and yes he even ripped off a lot of Billy Graham for his eventual character, but it was the WWE who made him into a household name. We need to credit a lot of the Hulk Hogan brand to Hulk Hogan himself, certainly, but make no mistake about it, the WWE played a huge part in his success. They tweaked him and gave him the ultimate platform. As for the original question, I’d have to say Hulk Hogan was the better creation as Hulk transcended the business. The Undertaker did to a certain extent as well, but not nearly to the same degree as Hulk Hogan.
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Post by foolio on Jul 11, 2014 13:45:08 GMT -5
Undertaker Hulk Hogan wasn't a WWE creation. He was doing his Hulkamania schtick in AWA before he had the big run in WWF. I don't really agree with this. Sure he was in various territories before the WWE, and yes he even ripped off a lot of Billy Graham for his eventual character, but it was the WWE who made him into a household name. We need to credit a lot of the Hulk Hogan brand to Hulk Hogan himself, certainly, but make no mistake about it, the WWE played a huge part in his success. They tweaked him and gave him the ultimate platform. As for the original question, I’d have to say Hulk Hogan was the better creation as Hulk transcended the business. The Undertaker did to a certain extent as well, but not nearly to the same degree as Hulk Hogan. There's no doubt that Hogan peaked in the WWE, but the character that lit the world on fire in the WWE was created in the AWA. Hulk was an established star in the AWA before Vince grabbed him.
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Post by Jack Raines on Jul 11, 2014 19:23:52 GMT -5
Yeah, Hulkamania started in AWA. It wasn't a McMahon-creation like Undertaker.
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Post by Milky on Jul 11, 2014 19:40:45 GMT -5
Did the AWA make him into a household name? Surely Vince deserves some credit for his vision of the Hulk Hogan character…
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Post by chrisarrant on Jul 11, 2014 21:26:46 GMT -5
Undertaker, undoubtedly. Vince, Bruce Pritchard and the other bookers/writers at the time created the Underaker whole cloth.
Hogan, while being more popular, was like others suggested already pretty well formed before he came to WWF. Yes, WWF provided him the platform and streamlined everything -- but I don't consider Hogan a WWE creation to the degree Undertaker was.
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Post by chris138 on Jul 12, 2014 9:21:26 GMT -5
The Undertaker, for the longevity alone in the WWF/E compared to Hogan's moves in and out of the company.
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Post by Doug Lyons on Jul 12, 2014 9:47:36 GMT -5
Okay so some are saying Hogan should really be in the conversation. I can see how that is valid. So someone name somebody who was a wwe creation that we can call a very distant number 2 to the undertaker. Say John Cena or Batista? Or even The Rock? Triple H? I would suggest Austin but like mentioned with Hogan had some traction when he came into WWE
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Post by Andrew Sheehy on Jul 12, 2014 10:56:45 GMT -5
The name Hulk Hogan was created by Vince McMahon Sr. in 1979. His name is a WWF/WWE Creation.
Same goes for The Undertaker who turned out to be a great creation for Vince Jr.
It's a tie on this discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 19:49:30 GMT -5
Saba Simba.
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Post by Above Average Mike Sanders on Jul 16, 2014 19:23:20 GMT -5
The name thing is irrelevant, as what they originally pitched had nothing to do with what he eventually became, and more of the groundwork for that was done outside of WWF.Hogan was a mid-card heel most if not all of his first stint in WWF and didn't bare much resemblance (other than the obvious) to what he ultimately became... by time he came back he had developed a lot of what he became known for before leaving AWA (wearing yellow, the uber-face persona, the leg drop finisher, etc, etc).
No arguing it was WWF and their marketing machine that made him a household name... but as far as "creation" goes, I can't give them that.
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Post by El Dandy on Jul 17, 2014 2:14:52 GMT -5
Think they would be able to have a successful PPV launch with the first WrestleMania without Hogan? I know the topic is best WWE creation, but Hulk Hogan became the first superstar to take wrestling into another level of entertainment. So I'm gonna go with the Hulkster. The Hulk Hogan merchandise, WrestleMania, licensing deals, being a featured star in films, TV shows with appearances on the A-Team and his own cartoon series, these were all successful due to the massive success of Hulk Hogan and the WWF. It has to be him.
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Post by Doug Lyons on Jul 17, 2014 4:50:10 GMT -5
Maybe I shouldn't've used the word creation. More like character I guess. To me both are hard to argue. Hogan is hogan but taker picked up where hogan left off after he went to WCW. 24 years ago at survivor series taker debuted. Who has had a more captivating on screen presence than taker since then? However would taker have had that chance if hogan didn't become who he is?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 7:22:04 GMT -5
Taker. Hogan is something they've replicated over and over again, both in the patriotic American and the superman that never loses.
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