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Post by Andrew O'Donnell on Apr 9, 2012 17:17:37 GMT -5
What y'all think?
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Post by Danny Powers on Apr 9, 2012 17:28:34 GMT -5
I'd be happy with either Frank Mir or Mark Hunt. As a Croat I'm hoping that Stipe Miocic gets a title shot as well one day.
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Post by RKing85 on Apr 9, 2012 17:31:44 GMT -5
Sorry, I just can't get on this Mark Hunt bandwagon.
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Post by mcmax3000 on Apr 9, 2012 20:46:24 GMT -5
Sorry, I just can't get on this Mark Hunt bandwagon. Same. I think he could be a contender in the future but he just doesn't deserve the shot right now. I think Mir is the obvious choice, though Dana has basically already shot that down so I don't know what on earth their backup plan is.
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Post by graham on Apr 9, 2012 21:43:57 GMT -5
Mine as well do it while you can
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Post by Sergei Gavriliuk on Apr 10, 2012 3:44:52 GMT -5
I think Overeem still will fight, somehow. Maybe he'll convince the commission that his horse meat was spoiled.
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Post by Stu on Apr 10, 2012 8:12:29 GMT -5
For me it's got to be Mir. I'm not abut fan of his, but out of everyone there, he's most deserving. I hope Dana and co don't bow to peer pressure, Hunt doesn't deserve it.
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Post by Justin Fischer on Apr 10, 2012 16:29:23 GMT -5
Hopefully this works and we still get Reem: www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/4/10/2939051/ufc-146-the-alistair-overeem-defenseBy now everyone knows that Overeem’s results from the surprise test on March 27 came back that he had a T/E level of 14:1. At this point it appeared that the much anticipated title fight with Junior Dos Santos at UFC 146 was off. Then, to many peoples surprise, the UFC and Overeem submitted for a unarmed combatant license in Nevada. The step of applying for a license shows that Overeem is confident in his defense. If his license is denied, he is unable to receive a license for a one year and most athletic commissions honor the decisions of other states. This is a huge risk for Overeem so what could his defense be? When Overeem appears before the NSAC on April 24th the surprise test results are sure to be brought up. The question is what will UFC and Overeem’s response be? Star-divide I suspect that his defense will be that the he should not have been tested and that the results should be considered tainted evidence. Alistair Overeem’s license to fight Brock Lesnar in Las Vegas on December 20, 2011 at UFC 141 was a conditional license. One stipulation of the conditional license was that Overeem pass two post-fight drug tests less than six months after the bout. According to Mike Chiappetta on the MMA Hour, referencing a conversation with the NSAC’s Keith Kizer, Alistair has passed three urine tests and one blood test going into and coming out of the UFC 141. So, has the terms of his conditional license been satisfied? If so, Overeem, no longer licensed by the NSAC and not yet an applicant for a license, the argument could be made that he should not have been subjected to testing. One specific rule in question appears to be point #5 under NAC 467.850 (http://www.leg.state.nv.us/nac/NAC-467.html): 5. An unarmed combatant shall submit to a urinalysis or chemical test if the Commission or a representative of the Commission directs him or her to do so. Does this rule apply to a non-licensed unarmed combatant? Rule #6 in the same chapter makes reference only to licensees: 6. A licensee who violates any provision of this section is subject to disciplinary action by the Commission. In addition to any other disciplinary action by the Commission, if an unarmed combatant who won or drew a contest or exhibition is found to have violated the provisions of this section, the Commission may, in its sole discretion, change the result of that contest or exhibition to a no decision. When the test results of Overeem’s T/E level being 14:1 are brought up I believe that Overeem and his team’s response will be that of evidence being illegally obtained. In a court of law, if evidence is illegally obtained it will be considered tainted evidence and is not admissible. Now that Overeem has submitted an application for a license, the NSAC can test him again and I am sure they will. I am also sure that this time he will come back clean. Would this defense be enough for the NSAC to give him a license? I really don’t know if it will stand.
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Post by mcmax3000 on Apr 10, 2012 19:17:46 GMT -5
I like Overeem and as much as I want to see him fight Dos Santos, if that's the defense that he comes in with, I think it's in the UFC's best interest to pull him from the fight anyway.
Like somebody in the comments section of that article said, it's a lose/lose. If he uses that defense, gets licensed & wins, his win and title reign will always be tainted. Always.
If I were Dana, I'd pull him from the fight now and announce the replacement so that they can get to work on promoting the new fight.
Short of them proving that the test was wrong, which obviously isn't going to be their defense since I don't believe they've asked for his other sample to be tested, I don't see how Overeem fights and it's not a PR disaster for the UFC.
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Post by JohnB on Apr 11, 2012 4:13:26 GMT -5
I'd like to see JDS vs Mir.
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Post by A-Rob on Apr 11, 2012 5:18:42 GMT -5
Frank Mir, makes the most sense
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Post by the Moosiah on Apr 15, 2012 2:40:40 GMT -5
I think Frank Mir deserves the shot out of anyone in the division, but what a dumb fucking thing to even have to be discussing in the first place. Overeem really should watch what he is doing to himself because this has soured me to him forever. How do you have 14 to 1 Testostrone levels? He's retarded for thinking for even a second he can get away with this even if he is doing TRT. If 6 to 1 is the highest allowed and 1 to 1 is a normal person's ratio, a 14:1 is so inflated that the commission isn't even going to think about this for a second before disapproving Overeem to fight.
Why everyone like Dana, Mir and Overeem himself is still talking like it's going to take place has me the most baffled too. Absolutely ridiculous that this situation is even happening.
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Post by ChocolateJim on Apr 15, 2012 8:45:03 GMT -5
If anyone even mentions the name Roy Nelson I'm outta here
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Post by joesphhowell on Apr 16, 2012 2:20:21 GMT -5
Barnett deserves it Strikeforce is dead i think he is the best HW in the world.
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Post by montrealscrewjob on Apr 17, 2012 0:59:16 GMT -5
Barnett or Werdum would be better, but no voting options here, so i went with Hunt
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