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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2012 10:38:38 GMT -5
Post your feedback, comments, questions for next week's Review-a-Wai where we chat WWF KING OF THE RING 1999
*Vince & Shane McMahon Vs Steve Austin in a Ladder Match *The Undertaker Vs The Rock for the WWF Title *The Hardy Boyz Vs Edge & Christian *Billy Gunn Vs Ken Shamrock - KOTR Quarter-Finals *Kane Vs Big Show - KOTR Quarter-Finals *X-Pac Vs Hardcore Holly - KOTR Quarter-Finals *Road Dogg Vs Chyna - KOTR Quarter-Finals *KOTR Semi-Finals and Finals
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Post by Alan Jones on Jun 15, 2012 12:15:22 GMT -5
Alan Jones
I have had this on dvd for a while. Tagged classics Double Set with KOTR 2000. I watched it for the first time since I watched it live . This was by far One of the worst PPV's of all time 3 half good matches and a horrible King of the ring tournement. When Road Dogg vs Chyna is the best match of the tournement you know you are in trouble. All Billy Gunn did after this was have a 1 month fued with The Rock and then went back into midcard status. We also never found out who raised the briefcase during the ladder match, must of been the anoymous GM who we also never found out who that was. Being 12 at the time I watched this live I thought this was a fun show but it's sad when you watch a lot of the 99 stuff back and see how bad it was match wise.
P.S As I was surfing through your archives I came across this gem of Wai singing Iris by Goo Goo Dolls. Priceless Stuff.
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Post by Andrew Sheehy on Jun 15, 2012 16:41:02 GMT -5
I remember watching this show as a 9 Year Old Little Jimmy.
The Kane-Big Show Match was a train wreck just like their most recent encounter on RAW a few weeks ago. The X-Pac-Hardcore Holly bout was weak with the man formerly known as Sparky Plugg hitting Mr. Waltman with a chair for a cheap DQ Finish. Holly's Promo after that match was very good. Ken Shamrock did a great job of selling the internal injuries in his short match against Billy Gunn. It helped push his feud with Steve Blackman for next month's Pay Per View. Road Dogg-Chyna was sloppy but the finish with Road Dogg revealing a cup after taking a low blow was clever. The Hardy's-Edge and Christian Match was decent as it launched a great Tag Team Rivalry for the next couple of years in the WWF. Edge's spear on Jeff Hardy in Mid-Air was damn good. The King Of The Ring Semifinal Matches were mediocre and average at best along with the Final as Billy Gunn ended up being the surprise winner. The World Wrestling Federation dropped the ball on Mr. Ass big time that year. The Rock-Undertaker Title Match was overbooked to say the least. All that match did was set up an Austin Title win on RAW Is WAR the next night. Finally, the Austin-McMahon's Ladder Match for control of the company was OK but predictable. As a huge Austin Fan at the time, I knew the McMahon's were going to win with help from a mysterious man hoisting the briefcase on the Texas Rattlesnake. How did the WWF refuse to reveal the identity of the man who raised the briefcase on Austin? That was a big fuck up by the company. You may call it their answer to WCW's Who Drove The Hummer Angle.
Underwhelming Show with a lacklustre King Of The Ring Tournament. 4 out of 10.
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Post by The Best There Is on Jun 16, 2012 12:47:49 GMT -5
Dave Crawford
This show was the usual deal from 1999 WWF where the star power of the main events carried things on top of some pretty brutal undercards.
The tournament on this show was an argument in favour of only doing the semi-finals and finals on the PPV as we just had a series of three to five minute matches (except for Road Dogg/Chyna which inexplicably got thirteen minutes) and no one got over as a result. Case in point, the heel run of Mr. Ass coming off of this show was so successful that by September he was a babyface teaming with Road Dogg again.
Edge & Christian and The Hardyz only got five minutes too, but it was decent and they showed flashes of what was to come starting with the T.I.T. later on that year.
We then had the usual convoluted WWF Title match. That's the stuff that was over huge at the time, but really that has to do more with star power then it being a great match or anything. The screwjob finish we got was in vogue in 99 so it's to be expected and I can't really complain. Rock had only officially been a face for two months here, but you'd think it had been years given how everyone was into him.
Speaking of convoluted, then it was main event time. The buildup for this included among plenty of other things Vince turning face and briefly aligning with Austin before being revealed as the Higher Power, the introduction of Stephanie and Linda as TV characters, "Where to, Stephanie?" and her near marriage to The Undertaker, Austin being named CEO of the WWF and finally the agreement to put total control of the company on the line here. The match was nothing special, but in the Internet Wrestling Community the result was months and months of debate over that burning question: Who raised the briefcase so Austin couldn't get it? I thought it was pretty obvious that it was the Big Boss Man since he had been booted from the Corporate Ministry the week before and then was welcomed back in the next night, but a lot of people felt that since it was never directly explained that way that it was just something that made no sense.
Anyways, this wasn't a great show, it had no standout matches and had no lasting repercussions (other then making Mr. Ass the butt (ha ha) of King Of The Ring related jokes) so I can't go any higher then a 2/10.
By the way, the aftermath of this was Steve Austin winning the WWF Title from Undertaker the next night in what I believe is the most watched match in the history of Monday Night Raw.
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Post by 666thegame666 on Jun 17, 2012 9:29:22 GMT -5
Corey Ferreira
I was 6 when this show took place and had just become a fan of the WWF and wrestling in general. Overall this show is not good by any means. It lacks any major moment like we got in 1998 with the Mankind/Undertaker Hell In A Cell match. The McMahon/Austin ladder match is the most one sided match iv'e seen Austin just spends the entire match beating on Vince and Shane and looses because of the mystery man moving the brief case out of Austins reach which was never answered. I will say I enjoyed the angle between Austin and McMahon going into this show with Austin being the CEO of the WWF and running Titan Tower and the whole Ministry/Corporation angle in general I was a fan of. As for the KOTR tournament its not that good. The theme of the 1999 KOTR seems to be DX all of whom were hot going into this show following the break up of the group. Billy Gunn beats Ken Shamrock the guy who won the KOTR the year before cos why not. Chyna and Road Dogg get a 13 minute match why would they book the match that long while Edge and Christian and the Hardys get a lot less. The WWF title match is meh and serves as a holding pen to continue the Rock/HHH feud for the following month. Overall a pretty poor show with not one stand out match and arguably the worst KOTR winner in The Assman Billy Gunn.
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Post by Alexander Rios on Jun 17, 2012 15:58:11 GMT -5
Alexander Rios
Hello John and Wai, been out of it for a while since post-WrestleMania I have for the most part stopped watching wrestling, main reason is I got a girlfriend and started devoting most of my free time to her....but I'm single now and so I have reverted to my first love of wrestling.
WWF King Of The Ring 1999...damn, a show I remember so well, not a great show by any means but still a show I enjoy watching more than 2012 WWE....and I don't care what anyone says about Billy Gunn winning King Of The Ring and not becoming a main event star in singles, NO King is worse than Mabel, NONE! In fact Billy Gunn might joing the hall of fame on his tag team credentials alone. Other than that, all I remember from this show was an Undertaker-Rock championship match where The Rock had just turned babyface I think, and Undertaker's Ministry had joined the Corporation. (It's me Austin! It was me all along Austin!) and Austin-McMahon milked for its last few true dollars with a Vince/Shane vs. Austin ladder match...and of course who can forget Steve Austin at Titan Towers? Attitude Era sentiment give this show to me a 7/10.
P.S. little known fact, but this show had Kurt Angle in a dark match with Shawn Stasiak in his Meat character.
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Post by Brian Bennett on Jun 17, 2012 17:04:18 GMT -5
Brian Bennett
Call me crazy, but I loved this show. Sure, the quality of matches (aside from Undi vs. Rock) was pretty garbage, but the nostalgia makes up for it for me. It's shows like these that remind me that although everyone looks at the Attitude Era so fondly, but in reality the shows were more often than not crap.
The opener pissed me off. Why can't you open the show with a clean finish? It sets such a bad taste in my mouth. Kane vs. Big Show is one of my favorite disaster matches of all time, and Chyna vs. Road Dogg was given almost as much time as the World Title match it seemed. King saying "she can wrestle!" made me chuckle, because it was so obvious how green Chyna was. Sometimes I wish she should have just skipped wrestling and went straight to porn, because this match was just painfully slow.
The rest of the matches everyone has pretty much touched on, but I just want to say that I had no problem with Billy Gunn winning this tournament. How they dropped the ball afterwards is a different story, but Gunn (and his legendary ass) wasn't such a bad idea when you consider that the King of the Ring was almost always won by a guy who wasn't extremely over and they wanted to push (Mable, Stone Cold at the time, Ken Shamrock, Edge!). Everyone confuses the booking on this show with the aftermath, and I think they should be considered two different things.
Anyway, because I loved the WWF Title match and the main event was okay (though they were both ridiculously overbooked; ETHER?! REALLY?), to be as fair as possible I'll give this show a 4/10. The rest of the show just gave me a good feeling and I loved watching it, but for the fan in my that likes quality wrestling, this didn't do it for me, and I think we're far enough removed from how awesome it felt at the time to realize that maybe the Attitude Era wasn't as great as we like to think.
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Post by corygibson on Jun 18, 2012 1:13:17 GMT -5
Cory Gibson
There are a lot of people who tend to romanticize with 1999 WWF. Not to be overly negative, but in my opinion it's a grossly overrated period. The booking and in ring work of the year leave much to be desired and I do not think it's at all surprising that things started to turn around creatively after Vince Russo and Ed Ferrera left for WCW later in the year.
When by my count only two WWF PPVs all year are worth re-watching (Summerslam and No Mercy), I would say that's a pretty bad indictment on the quality of the shows around this time. The 1999 King Of The Ring may be the worst of the bunch. The booking of the tournament itself is a disaster. You got short, below average matches, horrible finishes, plus a lame duck winner who failed to get over as a main event heel despite being slotted into a semi-main event feud with THE ROCK in the subsequent months.
The two main events both suffer from the same problem: egregiously overbooked finishes. The Undertaker and Rock had a fine match, but, were 2 ref bumps, a HHH run in and an ether filled rag really necessary? The conclusion I keep coming to is ''no''. The idea of having a ladder match with 2 non workers and Steve Austin who's neck was a mess at the time is something I would not classify as being one of the better ideas Vince Russo ever had. Not only is the match not particularly any good, it has an extremely insulting finish with the magical briefcase. This conclusion is on par with the Higher Power reveal in it's wretchedness.
In conclusion, this was a horrible show from top to bottom, one of the worst of 1999 easily. Illogical booking was a hallmark of this period and it's very much so prevalent here.
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Post by Dennis A. on Jun 18, 2012 1:16:01 GMT -5
I was excited to hear that you guys were going to review the KOTR 1999, but then I remembered what an awful show this was. Holy god this was terrible. The KOTR tournament was awful. Who wants to see Kane in 2 matches on the show? Kane/Show was hideous. The Road Dogg /Chyna was shockingly fine. Road Dogg was one of the most over guys on the show. The ending also made sense with what happened on the pre-show. The final's was an average match. X-Pac deserves a medal for caring Gunn to an average match. He isn't the worst King of the Ring though. Mabel was awful and Shamrock went nowhere the year prior. The title match sucked. I don't think the bell ever rang for the match to start.There were no rules in wrestling at this time. IT was plodding and slow. Paul Bearer was a great manager though. The Ladder match was fine but what a shitty finish to an even worst pay-off. THERE WAS NO PAY-OFF! Typical Russo booking of starting something without being able to finish it. What was the power structure at the time? There was Linda, Austin, Shawn, Vince, and Shane. We need a pie chart.The lone two highlights on this show were the Chyna promo because it reminded me of John impersonating her on an old review, and the Hardy's/E and C match. An awesome match for being only 5 minutes. The spear was awesome. I love that match. Everything was crisp and fast. Oh and I watched Heat before the show and it was not good either. Undertake did make something burst into flames though. Overall a show that typified the late 90's wrestling scene, All story and bad wrestling. A crap show overall. 2/10 solely for the Hardy's match. I would have hated being a fan at this point. The in-ring work in both WWF and WCW was not good. Thanks for everything guys but damn did you pick a bad show! Can't wait for the review. Can we get a review of the SummerSlam from that year?
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Post by kidcanada on Jun 18, 2012 9:44:12 GMT -5
Ah yes, the "Who Moved the Briefcase"? show. I remember as a teenager being really excited to see where that was going to lead, and then they never really explained it. If I recall correctly they later ret-conned it to say it was the Big Boss Man, which would have been the worst non-swerve ever - it's as though they were going to reveal it as some awesome new addition and then whoever it was supposed to be just fell through. Then the next night we got one of the worst "deus ex machina" moments ever where Austin mentions that "by the way, just in case I lost that match, I booked myself into a title match the next night and am contractually permitted to beat up Vince McMahon." As for the rest of the show, I guess they thought the crowd really wanted to see the former DX fight each other over and over because that's what we got, with them building X-Pac as the sentimental underdog only to lose to Billy Gunn. Billy Gunn's KOTR run is remembered for two moments: being verbally bitchslapped by the Rock and being verbally bitchslapped by Edge. The Taker/Rock match was going okay until we got an ether-soaked rag, which made me wish for Joey Styles yelling out "take that crap back to Smoky Mountain!". Anyhow, 4/10 for the show, 8/10 for reminding me to go watch Edge and Rock, two guys with actual mic skills and charisma, just unload on Billy Gunn.
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Post by Danny Hernandez on Jun 18, 2012 10:41:53 GMT -5
Main Event: Steve Austin v. Vince McMahon & Shane McMahon. With a year of hindsight, video packages, time for contemplation, and explanations from those involved, I STILL don’t see how this storyline can possibly be considered to make the least bit of sense in any way. Vince tries to intro Steve Blackman as Shane’s replacement, but that darned GTV reveals that Shane is fine after all, and he gets dragged out and into the match again.
The result ended up meaning nothing to the storylines, as Vince was “retired” by Austin at the next PPV, thus making the whole exercise pointless. Much like this entire show, which featured a tag wrestler winning King of the Ring when everyone (except the WWF) knew that his push would fail, Undertaker successfully defending his title only to lose it the next night and never get close to winning it again, and a confusing storyline (How DID Linda and Stephanie get their 50% back, anyway?) in a main event as stale as, well, this year’s main event.
The Bottom Line: If it wasn’t for Heroes of Wrestling, this wins 99’s Worst Show of the Year award hands down. The storylines didn’t make sense, the booking didn’t make sense, the work was nonexistant and everything was forgotten two months later. All hail Russo.
Strongest recommendation to avoid.
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Post by Roch from Rockland on Jun 18, 2012 13:42:55 GMT -5
Hello John and Wai, this review brought alot of bad memories. Why would the WWF at the time put Billy Gunn as the king of the ring. If safe to say that Billy was a better tag team wrestler than a single competitor. The rest of the card was pretty bad also. Seeing the Mcmahons inside the main events really did'nt help the situation.The good thing about this main event was the video package. The only good match on card was Edge and Christian vs Hardy's, which I believe was their first meeting ever on Pay per view. I would grade this show 1.5/10. On a side note I think you guys have a awesome city and one of the better ones in Canada for Bachelor party's. Trust me, last weekend was one the best weekend's of my life when I celabrated my brother's bachelor party. If only now the city of Toronto could get rid of Dalton McGuinty, the province of Ontario would be much happier. Keep up the great work guys.
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Post by DavidH on Jun 19, 2012 0:45:46 GMT -5
What I remember most about this ppv is the horrible ending to the Kane/Show match, Road Dogg calling X pac ,"X Pack" and that the following Raw, they gave little to no mention that Billy Gunn even won the damn thing. I think this was around the time where Debra always came to the ring in a small bikini for ppvs. Why did they ever have to make her talk?
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